# this is for all racists **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 7, 2013, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267 "2013-03-07T06:23:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/81 "2013-08-25T00:18:26Z")
Actually, “Jelloul” was what the demon said to Sigourney Weaver when she opened her refrigerator door in _Ghostbusters_. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/82 "2013-08-25T00:35:40Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Actually, “Jelloul” was what the demon said to Sigourney Weaver when she opened her refrigerator door in _Ghostbusters_. That’d explain all the junk food. ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/83 "2013-08-25T03:42:57Z")
> [@thanatic](#): > > what are the chances of him being black Since this zombie has already been brought back, I’ll go ahead and add… What are the chances that the OP will _ **ever** _ learn to use capitalization or punctuation? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/84 "2013-08-25T03:48:04Z")
> [@JBDivmstr](#): > > What are the chances that the OP will _ **ever** _ learn to use capitalization or punctuation? Hard to say without knowing what race he is. ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/85 "2013-08-25T04:41:54Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Hard to say without knowing what race he is. \ 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Brother\_Walker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f08c70/32.png) [@Uncle\_Brother\_Walker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Brother_Walker)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2013, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/86 "2013-08-25T07:51:56Z")
> [@bup](#): > > [There is one person named Abdesselam Jelloul in the United States](http://www.whitepages.com/name/Abdesselam-Jelloul), and he lives in San Antonio, Texas. > > Note, people, this is the \*White \*Pages! DAMN! You’ve found me! But you’ll never take me alive! ---
**Author:** ![the\_diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@the\_diego](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_diego)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/87 "2013-08-27T06:40:59Z")
Assuming he’s not “pure white”, and that the test results are acceptable, it doesn’t mean anything. A single ‘blip’ outlier does not make the entire population anything you want it to be. ---
**Author:** ![bashprompt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/94ad74/32.png) [@bashprompt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bashprompt)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/88 "2015-02-01T00:29:01Z")
> [@Pitchmeister](#): > > I don’t mean to give racists any arguments, but here’s another problem: just because the smartest (most intelligent, whatever) man in the world is black doesn’t mean anything for black people in general. If you were to claim (and you would be very, very wrong) that black people are less intelligent than white people, a single outlier one way or another does not disprove that argument. That’s not correct. Genetics and IQ appear to be directly correlated. One can have two parents of impaired IQ who will have offspring with impaired IQ to the umpteenth generation with no reprieve. I personally feel this is one great hurdle when dealing with ‘the Africa problem,’ that thing no one likes to think about, you know, 1/3rd of the worlds population living in prehistoric conditions, starving, and dying of preventable illness, a child every three seconds as I write this, while we are comfortable and will survive to 5 times their mortality rate’s average age. IQ does not dictate ones potential as a person, let me make that abundantly clear. However it is a key element in one’s education, and education dictates one’s potential in this world. Lower and higher IQ ranges require an entirely different system of education be employed. The genetic average IQ in continental Africa is on a level which, in ‘western’ countries would be deemed a ‘significant impairment’ and in most socialist nations would warrant a government appointed guardian and full time care with estimates ranging from 55 to 75 with an average of 65 from a half dozen peer reviewed sources I found for a paper in the past I wrote on the subject. There are hot debates (unfortunately mostly polluted with lay opinions and bigotry) on the subject of whether it is acceptable or not to even include this subject on Wikipedia, where over the years the article has been slanted with POV to the point that the article reads contrary to the science on the issue. How does IQ tie into human suffering? If you are throwing money at a problem, instead of education catered to the individual or community, you will get nowhere. Whereas a holistic approach educating and aiding such a large segment of our society is unarguably key to relieve poverty, famine, and human suffering as a whole. One would be right to argue as long as we pretend that genetics doesn’t define us, and that intelligence isn’t genetic, the longer we fail to address the problem of education, and education really is the integral element that will stop significant suffering and unnecessary death. So basically due to the sensitivity of a segment of society, most notably white people on the other side of the world, brown people are given a death sentence of flawed intervention programs to try and aid the nation states in Africa which are on the razors edge because it offends people utterly unrelated to the problem and the people suffering are thereby robbed of a potential solution. You also have to put it in context though. 50% of the worlds population have an IQ below 98 (now). Given that education is very much geared towards an expectation of a certain intelligence level that makes education inaccessible to a large number of people as much as poverty does. Lack of education is correlated to high birth rates and high (but not proportional) death rates. So the net growth of people who are uneducated is significant, and the poverty, famine, and suffering on areas with already overloaded infrastructure is also significant and worsening. Basically we have a huge portion of our global population on a downward spiral of self destruction in an era where another portion of our population live in excesses unimaginable even 50 years ago, and we refuse to do anything about it because to truly attempt to help means accepting something we find uncomfortable. And every three seconds, another child dies. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/89 "2015-02-01T00:33:13Z")
> [@thanatic](#): > > Abdesselam Jelloul is the man with highest IQ score in the world. He scored 198 in IQ test held in 2012. He holds the record to have highest score in Advance IQ test. The test included 13 different dimensions of intelligence including analytical, linguistics, spiritual, philosophical and 9 others. > Abdesselam Jelloul sounds like he could be a black man… If the man with the highest IQ in the world were white, what would that say about white people? If the man with the highest IQ in the world were Asian, what would that say about Asian people? If the man with the highest IQ in the world were Arab, what would that say about Arab people? My point is, a 1-person statistical sample size is just that; a 1-person statistical sample. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/90 "2015-02-01T01:32:02Z")
Sorry, **OP** , but I shall remain a racist for the time being. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/91 "2015-02-01T02:02:52Z")
Is this person an adult? If so, two problems: Historically, it has been meaningless to attempt to test an adult. It is also impossible to extrapolate much above about 160. It’s a nice discussion point - kinda like “peak oil”. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/92 "2015-02-01T02:10:46Z")
> [@bashprompt](#): > > So basically due to the sensitivity of a segment of society, most notably white people on the other side of the world, brown people are given a death sentence of flawed intervention programs to try and aid the nation states in Africa which are on the razors edge because it offends people utterly unrelated to the problem and the people suffering are thereby robbed of a potential solution. We have to label the village retarded in order to save it. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/93 "2015-02-01T02:16:13Z")
Here’s a one question IQ test: How old is this thread? One year, 10 months, and 24 days. It was started in March of 2013 and has been resurrected twice for no good reason. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/94 "2015-02-01T02:38:54Z")
Your point is: ummmm, what _is[/_ your point? ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/95 "2015-02-01T03:56:18Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > Your point is: > ummmm, what _is[/_ your point? That this is a zombie thread, and there’s a good chance the OP has forgotten all about it in the nearly two years since he originally started it. The thread title seems likely to attract a lot of attention, and since no one else so far seems to have realized it’s a zombie I thought people might appreciate a little warning before they wasted their time responding. Sorry for not going for a more traditional “brains” joke, but that seemed too obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/96 "2015-02-01T13:27:26Z")
> [@bashprompt](#): > > That’s not correct. Genetics and IQ appear to be directly correlated. One can have two parents of impaired IQ who will have offspring with impaired IQ to the umpteenth generation with no reprieve. > > … (rest of word salad snipped) Translation and summary: “Hi! I’m the latest in the long, long unending string of so-called “scientific” racists here to convince you all that black people are born stupid and are our genetic inferiors! Thanks for providing me a welcoming home!” ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/97 "2015-02-01T13:56:23Z")
> **[Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf](https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf)** > > 339.90 KB > [@](#): > > The study also found that the average IQ for African Americans was > lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, > 106, and 113, respectively; Herrnstein & Murray, 1994, pp. 273–278). > > Currently, the 1.1 standard deviation difference in average IQ between Blacks > and Whites in the United States is not in itself a matter of empirical dispute. A > meta-analytic review by Roth, Bevier, Bobko, Switzer, and Tyler (2001) showed > it also holds for college and university application tests such as the Scholastic > Aptitude Test (SAT; N 2.4 million) and the Graduate Record Examination > (GRE; N 2.3 million), as well as for tests for job applicants in corporate settings > (N 0.5 million) and in the military (N 0.4 million). Because test scores are > the best predictor of economic success in Western society (Schmidt & Hunter, > 1998), these group differences have important societal outcomes (R. A. Gordon, > 1997; Gottfredson, 1997). I love this board. There is a theory that a big part of the black-white gap could be due to lead exposure. Improvements in that lower the difference. [http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/dickens/20060619\_iq.pdf](http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/dickens/20060619_iq.pdf) > [@](#): > > We analyze data from nine standardization samples for four major tests of > cognitive ability. These suggest that blacks have gained 5 or 6 IQ points on non-Hispanic > whites between 1972 and 2002. Gains have been fairly uniform across the entire range > of black cognitive ability…Blacks gained on whites even though whites made their own gains. From 1972 to > 2002, 12 cases in which the same subjects took both a later and earlier version of a > Wechsler or Stanford-Binet IQ test show an average gain for all Americans of 0.311 > points per year (Flynn & Weiss, under review). If both blacks and Hispanics (see > Appendix A) have been gaining at a faster rate, the rate of gain for non-Hispanic whites > (about 75% of the population) would be approximately 0.265. Therefore, the rate of gain > for blacks has been about 0.45 points per year (0.265 + 0.184). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/98 "2015-02-01T14:04:20Z")
Uggh. In case anyone is unfamiliar with the bevy of threads on this topic (often promoted by a small number of posters who advocate that yes, black people really are inherently inferior in intellectual ability due to genetics, on average) that show up in GD periodically, we know virtually nothing about which genes are responsible for intelligence, much less their prevalence in various populations. Historically, issues of culture and society have been the explanation for unusual disparities in outcomes like IQ test scores – the Irish, for example, were about a standard deviation below most of the rest of Europe a hundred years ago – and now they’re the same. Nothing changed in Irish DNA. And per the Flynn effect, test scores tend to increase over time for most populations such that the scale has to be re-calibrated… so African Americans today score about the same as white Americans from a handful of decades ago. Lastly, experiments have been performed to specifically test whether higher levels of African ancestry among self-identified African Americans correlated with lower IQ scores – the result was negative… among African Americans, the amount of African and European ancestry doesn’t have anything to do with test scores. So there’s no reason to conclude at this time that genetics are the best explanation for the test score disparity. The most reasonable conclusion at this time is that there are various aspects of culture and society that result in greater obstacles (that are still overcome by some) for people who identify as African American. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/99 "2015-02-01T14:07:46Z")
> [@thanatic](#): > > Abdesselam Jelloul is the man with highest IQ score in the world. So, you’re saying that all along this site has been lying about Cecil Adams being the “World’s Smartest Human”? I’m a bit surprised this thread wasn’t disappeared long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267/100 "2015-02-01T15:34:33Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, you’re saying that all along this site has been lying about Cecil Adams being the “World’s Smartest Human”? > > I’m a bit surprised this thread wasn’t disappeared long ago. Well, maybe Cecil’s not a guy… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-all-racists/652267.md?page=6)