# This is for PETA, and all of their like-minded fellows **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 29, 2007, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034 "2007-04-29T06:31:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/21 "2007-04-29T18:29:52Z")
[QUOTE=Anaamika] If India asked the whole world to stop eating cows, the world would laugh at them. I’m not sure why it’s OK for the West to tell everyone not to eat dogs! [/QUOTE] Hmmm, when did this happen? I don’t recall seeing any criticisms of this outside of comedy in the past…okay, ever. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/22 "2007-04-29T18:52:25Z")
At this point, isn’t PETA it’s own strawman? They are so ridiculously over the top, to complain about them as an example of those supporting animal rights is akin to complaining about Fred Phelps as an example of Christianity. From their [March of Crimes](http://www.marchofcrimes.com/) page: > [@](#): > > With the worthy goal of preventing birth defects, the March of Dimes collects millions of dollars in donations annually. But most donors who generously open their pocketbooks are unaware that their gifts help to fund painful experiments on animals. The March of Dimes has funneled millions of dollars into laboratory studies on primates, rats, mice, cats, dogs, rabbits, pigs, sheep, guinea pigs, opossums, and members of other animal species. > > Both animals and human babies are the losers, because every dollar spent to harm these animals is a dollar that could have—and should have—been used to help people. No, you fools, the animal experiments _are_ being used to help people. Do you think that labs that do this kind of work just experiment on animals for fun? They get funding because they have results. If they don’t get results, they don’t get funding. Therefore, they are trying to get results, regardless of how they feel about the animals. But, to explore the issue in a complex and thoughtful way, which is what it deserves, would take away PETA’s attention whoring hyperbole and they would prefer to be seen as crazy and obnoxious, because it gets them more attention. Just like Fred Phelps. ---
**Author:** ![Kneepants\_Erasmus\_the\_Humanist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/54ee81/32.png) [@Kneepants\_Erasmus\_the\_Humanist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kneepants_Erasmus_the_Humanist)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/23 "2007-04-29T21:12:13Z")
You know…there are assholes in EVERY. SINGLE. ORGANIZATION. ON. EARTH. Generalizing is fought against on this board except for when it’s referring to animal rights supporters and/or PETA members. So, **Mujojo** (and pretty much everyone else in this thread, it appears), animals were _designed_ for humans to use? Then, they were designed with brains and nervous systems so that they could feel pain when we are using them? If someone thinks this is wrong they are a “whackjob”? I don’t believe in intelligent design bullshit, but if there is a god that commands us to kill other living beings and **designs** them so that they feel pain, that is nothing I would want to have anything to do with. I quit. It doesn’t matter what the fuck I say. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/24 "2007-04-29T21:16:07Z")
[QUOTE=Kneepants Erasmus, the Humanist] You know…there are assholes in EVERY. SINGLE. ORGANIZATION. ON. EARTH. Generalizing is fought against on this board except for when it’s referring to animal rights supporters and/or PETA members. [/QUOTE] There may be PETA \*members \*who are just plain old regular good folk, I don’t know, but the \*organization \*is batshit crazy. This from an animal lover, who would much rather spend time with his dogs than just about any human on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/25 "2007-04-29T21:18:24Z")
[QUOTE=Kneepants Erasmus, the Humanist] I quit. It doesn’t matter what the fuck I say. [/QUOTE] The hamsters send their thanks. Anyway, anecdote-time. I used to live with a PETA member who was a complete nutjob. I’m too lazy to give a compleat rundown, but one choice example of his lame bullshit was his claiming to be vegan and then eating eggs. “I’m an ovo-vegan.” No, you are vegetarian you fuckwit. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/26 "2007-04-29T21:27:10Z")
[QUOTE=Mujojo] Medical testing is what really gets me worked up though. Those sick fucking assholes think it’s OKAY to keep a stupid rat alive, while letting HUMAN BEINGS die from ailments that could be prevented in the future by slaughtering countless numbers of these animals (even monkeys, if it takes 10 million monkeys dying in the next 6 months to cure cancer…see ya monkeys). [/QUOTE] Have you considered the possibility that we were designed to die? If animals were designed to be tasty, and we’re designed to die, aren’t you worred that some day we’ll get in trouble for killing all these animals without eating them? ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/27 "2007-04-29T22:03:51Z")
[QUOTE=Mujojo] Medical testing is what really gets me worked up though. Those sick fucking assholes think it’s OKAY [sic] to keep a stupid rat alive, [sic] while letting HUMAN BEINGS [sic] die from ailments that could be prevented in the future by slaughtering countless numbers of these animals (even monkeys, if it takes 10 million monkeys dying in the next 6 months to cure cancer… [sic] see ya monkeys). [/quote] Can you provide an example to justify this charge? No? I didn’t think so, because miserable liars like you generally can’t. > [@](#): > > Don’t people realize pretty much ALL medicine is from animals? Probably not, since it’s impossible to “realize” something that isn’t true. > [@](#): > > You can’t type up in a computer what an experimental cancer drug will do to a person Really. That’s funny, since [people are already doing that](http://www.cmp.uea.ac.uk/Research/ivis/ivisfaqs.jsp). Can you provide an explanation of why we can’t do something that we’ve already been doing for a generation? What’s that, you say? No, you can’t justify this lie either? What a surprise! > [@](#): > > Those people don’t realize that the ONLY way we can possibly cure aids [sic], cancer, diabetes, heart disease, blindness, etc, [sic] is by giving animals experimental medicine, watch [sic] them as they probably suffer and die, then write [sic] down the problems, and keep [sic] trying. Well gee, since it’s that easy, I expect that you’ll be handing us the cures for AIDS, cancer diabeters, heart disease, blindness, etc… Right? Can we get a specific date on when your brilliant method will produce these cures? **Mujojo** , I’m going to show you something that you’ve apparently never seen before in your entire miserable excuse for a life: facts. [Here is an article with the self-explanatory title of Animals Research is Wasteful and Misleading](http://members.iinet.com.au/~rabbit/expmilg.htm) in Scientific American. It refutes your moronic claim that torturing animals leads to medical breakthroughs and proves that the exact opposite is true. The more opportunity that scientists have to experiment on animals, the more they waste time and money on cures that will never be relevant to human beings. If you had the slightest taste of brainpower or human decency, I would ask you to retract your false claims and apologize for your nasty slanders. As it is, since you’re clearly sub-human scum, I know that would be a complete waste of time. In fact, I’d bet a fair amount of resources that you’ll never return to this thread to face the utter humiliation of being proved so totally wrong. Perhaps you’ll never even return to this forum. I can’t say I blame you. People at your mental level should learn not to approach their betters. Good day. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2007, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/28 "2007-04-29T22:24:42Z")
**Mujojo** , what were \*you \* designed for? ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/29 "2007-04-30T00:58:00Z")
[QUOTE=lissener] **Mujojo** , what were \*you \* designed for? [/QUOTE] BBQ in the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/30 "2007-04-30T16:00:18Z")
**ITR Champion** and everyone else who is insulting him, **Mujojo** is a guest and probably not familiar with the Dope and the concept of intellectual rigour (and how things can go in the Pit). Do you think you could consider being a little more courteous and work on fulfilling our mission statement of fighting ignorance, instead of just being insulting and rude? This OP was a golden opportunity to educate someone, not crucify them and send them packing for the hills. ---
**Author:** ![enigm4tic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@enigm4tic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enigm4tic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/31 "2007-04-30T16:36:46Z")
**ITR** is there any reason why you used [sic] 9 times when none of things appear to be typos? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/32 "2007-04-30T16:58:53Z")
As someone that raises and butchers the animals that my family and I eat, I do think that more people should have a better understanding about where meat comes from and how the animal was treated during it’s life. I can understand not wanting to, but it seems to me that the price you should pay for eating meat is to kill an animal yourself at least once in your life. I am amused when PeTA members argue with me about meat eating though. A good friend who is a member was haranguing me when we first started raising pigs, I made her come visit our farm and see the happiest damn pigs in North America, running around their huge pasture, wagging their tails, and being hand-fed big bunches of grapes. All of her arguments kinda fell apart at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/33 "2007-04-30T17:03:22Z")
[QUOTE=ITR champion] Can you provide an example to justify this charge? No? I didn’t think so, because miserable liars like you generally can’t. [/QUOTE] Apparently the OP is unaware that some of PETA’s leaders are diabetic and use medicine that was created via animal testing. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/34 "2007-04-30T17:18:40Z")
[QUOTE=enigm4tic] **ITR** is there any reason why you used [sic] 9 times when none of things appear to be typos? :dubious: [/QUOTE] They weren’t typos, they were errors of composition suggesting a less-than-firm grasp on the ability to express oneself coherently in written English. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/35 "2007-04-30T17:24:52Z")
[QUOTE=ITR champion] [Here is an article with the self-explanatory title of Animals [sic] Research is Wasteful and Misleading](http://members.iinet.com.au/~rabbit/expmilg.htm) in Scientific American. [/QUOTE] Actually, it’s “Animal Research”, not “Animals Research”, in case anybody wants to do their own search. That article was one of a pair of pro and con articles on the subject published in that issue (February 1997) of _Scientific American_. The other article was called “Animal Research is Vital to Medicine”. I can’t find a link to the full text of that article, but here’s an essay on the subject by its authors: [http://members.iinet.com.au/~rabbit/unscian.htm](http://members.iinet.com.au/~rabbit/unscian.htm). You might want to read that as well. It looks like a concise refutation of the claims made in the other article. ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/36 "2007-04-30T17:35:12Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] There may be PETA \*members \*who are just plain old regular good folk, I don’t know, but the \*organization \*is batshit crazy. This from an animal lover, who would much rather spend time with his dogs than just about any human on Earth. [/QUOTE] A friend of mine was. She worked for them for a few years at their headquarters in Norfolk, and even became vegetarian along the way. She joined up with them because she didn’t like how elephants were reportedly treated in zoos and circuses. She quit about two years ago because of all the crazy people she had to deal with on a daily basis at the office. So from what she has said about her experience in that organization, it’s not really a generalization. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/37 "2007-04-30T17:53:02Z")
[QUOTE=August West] As someone that raises and butchers the animals that my family and I eat, I do think that more people should have a better understanding about where meat comes from and how the animal was treated during it’s life. I can understand not wanting to, but it seems to me that the price you should pay for eating meat is to kill an animal yourself at least once in your life. I am amused when PeTA members argue with me about meat eating though. A good friend who is a member was haranguing me when we first started raising pigs, I made her come visit our farm and see the happiest damn pigs in North America, running around their huge pasture, wagging their tails, and being hand-fed big bunches of grapes. All of her arguments kinda fell apart at that point. [/QUOTE] I have no moral problems with eating meat, but I would like the meat I eat to be treated humanely before being slaughtered and processed (I mean, ideal world here). I don’t like the idea that because animals don’t have cognitive abilities like humans that they should be mis-treated as insensate objects. I understand that YOUR family is looking after your food animals properly, but I have no idea about the meat I buy at Safeway, and I’m almost afraid to find out. Isn’t most insulin from pigs, too? ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/38 "2007-04-30T18:15:51Z")
I think the OP is just as nuts as PETA. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/39 "2007-04-30T18:16:53Z")
[QUOTE=enigm4tic] **ITR** is there any reason why you used [sic] 9 times when none of things appear to be typos? :dubious: [/QUOTE] So we know who our ‘betters’ are and return to find people of our own mental level. I’m sure one of my betters can work a Blazing Saddles joke around that. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2007, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034/40 "2007-04-30T18:56:55Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] They weren’t typos, they were errors of composition suggesting a less-than-firm grasp on the ability to express oneself coherently in written English. [/QUOTE] Oh, bullshit. It made perfect sense, if a little histrionic, and as far as I could tell, was perfectly acceptable by Pit standards (although I guess the Keepers of Pit Perfection prefer bold, italics, or underlining instead of caps for emphasis. I can dig it). Go ahead and explain to me each of those errors of composition. Sure, the guy’s gonna get stomped on, but the [sic] thing, yeah, let’s have an explanation for that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-for-peta-and-all-of-their-like-minded-fellows/402034.md?page=3)