# This is NOT a fair world, you conservative fools. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2017, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707 "2017-05-02T11:02:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/41 "2017-05-02T15:40:14Z")
> [@somepumpkin](#): > > Those things are not alive. They are not subject to random RNA sequencing or viral infection. They don’t walk down the street and trip over a curb. They aren’t tasked to drive/walk/commute to work every day to support themselves, either. So what? You’re just arguing for single payer, which is what I said. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/42 "2017-05-02T15:44:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You cannot invoke religious teachings only when they are consonant with your desired outcomes and reject them when they are not. Why not? Your side does exactly that on a daily basis. Conservatives constantly claim to be Christians in order to win elections but then fail to follow basic Christian beliefs when they’re in office. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/43 "2017-05-02T15:45:29Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > Choosing to follow your interpretation of the Bible isn’t the same as forcing others to do so through legislation. I don’t find it hypocritical to be against forcing people to care for others and still do so yourself because your holy book teaches you to. We force people to pay taxes through legislation in order to live in a society with a functioning economy, infrastructure and various services that make life better. I assume you don’t object to everyone having access to that kind of social support system. What’s your objection to a better universal healthcare system for all? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/44 "2017-05-02T15:49:12Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > I’ll never understand the uniquely American aversion to UHC. … It is uniquely American conservatives, and it has everything to do with corporate wallets and their resulting fatness. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/45 "2017-05-02T15:50:22Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > We force people to pay taxes through legislation in order to live in a society with a functioning economy, infrastructure and various services that make life better. I assume you don’t object to everyone having access to that kind of social support system. What’s your objection to a better universal healthcare system for all? Read what I said again. Nothing I wrote means I object to a better universal healthcare system for all and I know why taxes are paid. My claim is that what Happy Lendervedder finds hypocritical isn’t hypocritical. One can be following what their holy book tells them to follow and at the same time be against forcing others to do the same. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/46 "2017-05-02T15:50:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Your home insurance doesn’t cover re-painting your house or mowing your lawn or refinishing your floors. Those are things every homeowner has to do at some point or another. We’re cramming all of “healthcare” into an insurance model, and so we end up with some screwy situations that don’t really fit into that model. A single pay program makes much more sense, although it’s just not feasible, politically, in the US (at least at the federal level). The reason I feel it makes sense to lump all healthcare together is that people will often skimp on the little stuff until it becomes serious. So whether the ACA or single-payer, it seems better to have everything under one umbrella. For example, someone may get a simple urinary tract infection and decide to wait it out because they can’t afford the $$ doctor visit, but untreated it progresses to a life-threatening blood infection that puts them in the ER. If all healthcare is lumped together, the person is more likely to go for treatment when it first breaks out. I don’t know what percentage of UTI’s become blood infections, but the easier it is to get treated early, the more people that will take care of it when it’s cheap to cure. We often talk about other types of insurance (home/auto), but that analogy breaks down because it’s acceptable for people to be homeless and carless if they can’t afford to pay for them. Society will provide in other ways If you can’t afford a house, you live in your car. If you can’t afford a car, you walk. But if your body doesn’t work, you die. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/47 "2017-05-02T15:53:12Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > I’ll never understand the uniquely American aversion to UHC. Having a well-cared, healthy, population is like having paved roads, a fire department, a functional judiciary, a system of government, an educational system, etc. > > It objectively makes **everyones’** lives better in quality and longer in length. And it’s cheaper. But you forgot about the legalized bribery. Our health care system is designed to make a profit for those who run it. And these people make sure that conservatives get a cut of the profits through “political donations”. Besides the Republicans don’t really seem interested in having a functional judiciary, system of government, educational system, or paved roads either because apparently nobody’s paying them enough to care. I will concede I haven’t heard about them doing any particular harm to fire departments. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/48 "2017-05-02T15:54:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Why not? Your side does exactly that on a daily basis. Conservatives constantly claim to be Christians in order to win elections but then fail to follow basic Christian beliefs when they’re in office. No, no. Those are two different claims. “I am a Christian,” is not the same as “I will implement Christian-grounded legislation.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/49 "2017-05-02T15:54:53Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > Read what I said again. Nothing I wrote means I object to a better universal healthcare system for all and I know why taxes are paid. My claim is that what Happy Lendervedder finds hypocritical isn’t hypocritical. One can be following what their holy book tells them to follow and at the same time be against forcing others to do the same. Write what you said again more clearly next time! 😛 😉 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/50 "2017-05-02T15:55:05Z")
> [@somepumpkin](#): > > Those things are not alive. They are not subject to random RNA sequencing or viral infection. They don’t walk down the street and trip over a curb. They aren’t tasked to drive/walk/commute to work every day to support themselves, either. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > So what? You’re just arguing for single payer, which is what I said. All I’m saying is that as long we labor under the polite fiction that “insurance” is the way to delivery healthcare to everyone equitably and fairly without hurting the poor, then we’re going to end up sounding like we don’t know how insurance works. Insurance is about pooled risk, not fairness, equity, helping the poor, or taking care of routine needs. It’s like paying for eating or clean water by having food insurance or water insurance. You either put it out on the open market, or manage it as a public utility. If the open market doesn’t work, then you manage it as a utility. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/51 "2017-05-02T15:56:06Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Write what you said again more clearly next time! 😛 😉 It was just as clear the first time as when I repeated it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/52 "2017-05-02T15:57:14Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > **Bricker** accuses a liberal of hypocrisy. It must be a day ending in a “y”. Liberal positions are revealed to be steeped in hypocrisy. Must be a day ending in . . . aw, crap, he used that one already. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/53 "2017-05-02T15:59:41Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > So only fellow Christians can point out Christian hypocrisy? Does that apply to all forms of hypocrisy? Bricker’s Law of SDMB Discourse: when a poster begins a response with the word “So,” the position that follows won’t be an accurate summary of the claim it purports to summarize. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/54 "2017-05-02T16:00:21Z")
My mother is in great health, eats well, exercises, and Mo Brooks would say she lives a good life, what with being a conservative Catholic Republican. She went in yesterday morning for a colonoscopy, you know one of those tests you’re supposed to get because you’re responsible and take care of yourself. They perforated her colon during the test, so she had to have emergency surgery. The people the GOP are trying to fuck over are their voters. They nearly lost one yesterday, and their just world theories would have said she deserved it. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/55 "2017-05-02T16:02:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Bricker’s Law of SDMB Discourse You’re going to have to shorten that to “Bricker’s Law” if you want it to catch on…but then you only get one law. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/56 "2017-05-02T16:09:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Liberal positions are revealed to be steeped in hypocrisy. Must be a day ending in . . . A single or small number of instances is used to smear a very large group of people. Yep. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/57 "2017-05-02T16:10:01Z")
> [@x-ray\_vision](#): > > One can be following what their holy book tells them to follow and at the same time be against forcing others to do the same. Tell that to “Christian” Republicans who claim the United States is a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles; pass legislation that forbids same-sex marriage because it goes against their interpretation of the Bible; want to ban abortion because “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you;” claim to be the party of family values while breaking up families because of where someone was born; fight for prayer in schools; fight for the Ten Commandments to be on display at courthouses, while also passing ordinances banning Sharia Law (without really knowing what Sharia Law even is); fight to shut down women’s health organizations and clinics because they offer things that go against their religion; fight to keep refugees out, sometimes even based on religion. But then protect capital at the expense of human beings. And then say it’s not their place to govern and legislate based on their religious beliefs. That’s the very definition of hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![somepumpkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@somepumpkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/somepumpkin)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/58 "2017-05-02T16:11:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > So what? You’re just arguing for single payer, which is what I said. Admittedly, I mis-interpreted your post. You’re welcome for helping to make your point 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/59 "2017-05-02T16:25:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > A single pay program makes much more sense, although it’s just not feasible, politically, in the US (at least at the federal level). It will be. I think the GOP paid lip service to universal availability too long. Now they find that their voters believed them and will hold them to that. The new normal is talking about everyone having coverage and rejecting things that would take that coverage away. The camel’s nose is definitely under the tent. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707/60 "2017-05-02T16:27:35Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Tell that to “Christian” Republicans who claim the United States is a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles; pass legislation that forbids same-sex marriage because it goes against their interpretation of the Bible; want to ban abortion because “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you;” claim to be the party of family values while breaking up families because of where someone was born; fight for prayer in schools; fight for the Ten Commandments to be on display at courthouses, while also passing ordinances banning Sharia Law (without really knowing what Sharia Law even is); fight to shut down women’s health organizations and clinics because they offer things that go against their religion; fight to keep refugees out, sometimes even based on religion. > > But then protect capital at the expense of human beings. > > And then say it’s not their place to govern and legislate based on their religious beliefs. > > That’s the very definition of hypocrisy. And selling wedding cakes to gay people. I’m sure the religious bigotry laws have nothing to do with the Bible’s sway over intolerant Republicans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-not-a-fair-world-you-conservative-fools/785707.md?page=4)