# This is Sheriff Arpaio's idea of a school-protection posse **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252 "2013-02-14T03:32:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/121 "2013-02-15T12:52:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No, it wouldn’t. DailyKos is a political organization whose purpose is to advance the progressive agenda. There is nothing wrong with that, so long as one does not confuse it with the NYT (an actual news organization). Well, then, sorry to interrupt. I believe you were just finished with patting yourself on the back for your strict non-partisan objectivity, and were heading towards offering me another condescending lecture on besmirching a reputation without having the facts at hand. Please continue. I’m rather a partisan, as you may have noticed, and somewhat callous about the reputation of a man who has all the qualities of a rattlesnake, save that he lacks the warmth. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/122 "2013-02-15T16:30:27Z")
Oh. My. God. [Other members of the posse who are still members are assholes](http://www.kpho.com/story/17159125/criminal-pasts-dont-disqualify-members-of-arpaio-posse). It’s not clear that being convicted of a felony automatically disqualifies you. After that one guy was fired in 2007, I figured the other 3450 would be clean as a whistle. For fuck’s sake, I can only imagine that Clark guy making any violent situation worse. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/123 "2013-02-15T16:35:40Z")
Minor point of minor interest: I hear these guys described as “volunteers” then I hear the word “hired”. So, are they paid? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/124 "2013-02-15T16:48:02Z")
No. We’ve been using the word “hired” as shorthand for “accepted for the purpose of providing volunteer security and law enforcement services under the aegis of the MCSO”. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/125 "2013-02-15T16:53:34Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I think most of us(\*) agree that Arpaio’s idea of volunteer posses is a very bad idea for several reasons, only one of them being that it will attract pederasts. That one known pederast applicant has in fact been exposed is given anecdotally to support the larger point. To focus one’s energy on a nit-picking distinction between “pederasts” and the fact that among the convicts to have turned up so far, only one is a known sex offender is to miss the forest for the tree(s). This is especially so since, as the linked article points out, Arpaio seems to be one of the many Republicans who regards rape and molestation as unimportant, diverting his attention from more important crimes, like being Hispanic. The whole point of this thread is that Arpaio’s posses are a terrible idea because they include one or more sex offenders. It turns out that this is categorically untrue. It might be nitpicking were this a general “posse idea stupid” thread (and I agree that the whole idea is a recipe for a highly public fuckup), but it’s not nitpicking in \*this \* context. > [@](#): > > (Most of us agree. Don’t know about **Bricker** who, unlike you, really isn’t all that bright.) That’s not what I had in mind when I said “give him his due”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/126 "2013-02-15T17:59:34Z")
Oh. So, as long as there’s no sex offenders, its a good idea? Drug crimes, DWIs, domestic violence, all kosher? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/127 "2013-02-15T18:20:44Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Agreed on both points. So.. this was “owning” jumping the gun? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/128 "2013-02-15T18:23:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh. So, as long as there’s no sex offenders, its a good idea? Drug crimes, DWIs, domestic violence, all kosher? Who said it was a good idea? I specfically said it was a bad one. As to whether the other stuff is kosher, is there any evidence that there are convicts volunteering? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/129 "2013-02-15T18:25:27Z")
You mean, besides post #122? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/130 "2013-02-15T18:36:38Z")
Yes, since that refers to arrest records rather than convictions. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/131 "2013-02-15T18:43:44Z")
> [@bup](#): > > If this were the only thread by which I had to judge ' **luci** , I’d say no. But it’s not. Let me expand my original claim to:\*\*elucidator \*\*argues in good faith, in my experience, therefore I extend him the benefit of the doubt. I’m not sure he did call anyone but Arapaio a bigot, anyway, but he could have read the first part of the thread more carefully. > > \*\*BrainGlutton \*\*will be back and own that he jumped the gun on calling you a bigot. Your defense of Arapaio was correct ( **magellan** ’s was lucky). So – has **BrainGlutton** fulfilled your expectation? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/132 "2013-02-15T18:58:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So – has **BrainGlutton** fulfilled your expectation? I will not be satisfied until \*\*BrainGlutton \*\*performs seppuku. What about you? How much does he have to do until you’re satisfied? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/133 "2013-02-15T19:01:59Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I will not be satisfied until \*\*BrainGlutton \*\*performs seppuku. This answer seems insincere to me. In contrast, your prior post seemed sincere: > [@bup](#): > > BrainGlutton will be back and own that he jumped the gun on calling you a bigot. Your defense of Arapaio was correct (magellan’s was lucky). But perhaps I also misread it. Did I? > [@](#): > > What about you? How much does he have to do until you’re satisfied? He should post something along the lines of, “I was wrong to attack you for merely correcting a factual error,” or anything remotely similar that suggests he acted in some way in error. Unlike seppuku, that seems a reasonable reaction to having called me a bigot for defending Arpaio. I’ve made factual errors many times over my thirteen year history here, and I have forthrightly said, “I was wrong.” ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/134 "2013-02-15T19:10:15Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This answer seems insincere to me. Oh, Sheldon, I love you. > [@](#): > > He should post something along the lines of, “I was wrong to attack you for merely correcting a factual error,” or anything remotely similar that suggests he acted in some way in error. He kind of did that, as quietly as he could, in the post you cited. He may do more. Humans need time. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/135 "2013-02-15T19:26:25Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Oh, Sheldon, I love you. > > He kind of did that, as quietly as he could, in the post you cited. He may do more. Humans need time. I don’t agree: > [@bup](#): > > BrainGlutton will be back and own that he jumped the gun on calling you a bigot. Your defense of Arapaio was correct (magellan’s was lucky). > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Agreed on both points. The “both points” appear to be that my defense was correct and that magellan’s was lucky. It doesn’t remotely address the calling me a bigot. Or do you read it differently? More to the point, you said, “BrainGlutton will be back and own that he jumped the gun on calling you a bigot.” Do you now think he’s done that? I know you’ve answered this question twice, once facetiously and a second time … er… gently. But is this what you were picturing when you said he argues in good faith? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/136 "2013-02-15T19:38:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > More to the point, you said, “BrainGlutton will be back and own that he jumped the gun on calling you a bigot.” Do you now think he’s done that? I know you’ve answered this question twice, once facetiously and a second time … er… gently. But is this what you were picturing when you said he argues in good faith? For a first pass, yes. Now will you please address what a reasonable middle ground might be in the ‘how long should 102 year old black women have to wait to vote’ thread, instead of saying limo rides are silly and simply stating _there exists_ a reasonable middle ground? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/137 "2013-02-15T20:03:20Z")
> [@bup](#): > > For a first pass, yes. What does that mean? You expect him to return with a statement that is more clearly inculpatory? > [@](#): > > Now will you please address what a reasonable middle ground might be in the ‘how long should 102 year old black women have to wait to vote’ thread, instead of saying limo rides are silly and simply stating _there exists_ a reasonable middle ground? I can’t. I don’t have anywhere near the knowledge of the relevant factors. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/138 "2013-02-15T20:13:53Z")
**Brain Glutton** gets to join **Bricker** in the whole “Oops I posted a factually incorrect thread for partisan gain” group of Dopers. Congrats to you to join such fine company. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/139 "2013-02-15T20:24:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > **Brain Glutton** gets to join **Bricker** in the whole “Oops I posted a factually incorrect thread for partisan gain” group of Dopers. Congrats to you to join such fine company. Ah, yes, my non-union electrical workers turned away from hurricane relief thread. I was sure wrong about that, even though I relied upon a story that seemed legitimate to me. And when it became clear that I was wrong, i said: > [@Look for the union label](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/look-for-the-union-label/639644/89): > > The latest set of updates make pretty clear that the original story was badly mischaracerized. > > I was completely in the wrong. > > Apologies for the misinformation, and for my take on it. See that? A clear, unambiguous, complete admission of error, and an apology to boot – and I didn’t even call anyone in the thread a bigot for correcting me. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/140 "2013-02-15T20:39:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > See that? A clear, unambiguous, complete admission of error, and an apology to boot – and I didn’t even call anyone in the thread a bigot for correcting me. Yep, and **BG** should apologize also, especially for calling you a bigot. It was unfair, unwarranted, and too typical of BG. I can get out my condemning stick and whack him a few times with it if that would please you. So, in that sense, you are better than **Brain Glutton**. But, as I pointed out in an earlier thread, I’m not so sure that’s any great shakes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252.md?page=8)