# This is Sheriff Arpaio's idea of a school-protection posse **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252 "2013-02-14T03:32:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/161 "2013-02-21T23:11:41Z")
No, you’re right, and I agree. My point now is that the MCSO doesn’t seem to have checked on these arrest records. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/162 "2013-02-22T02:03:24Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No, you’re right, and I agree. My point now is that the MCSO doesn’t seem to have checked on these arrest records. Why do you draw that conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/163 "2013-02-22T14:39:44Z")
No, a mere arrest should not be a disqualifying factor, for anything really. But I am confused about why we are even arguing about this in respect to Cutler, when the KPHO story clearly states that his record was expunged after he completed an anger-management program. So, dude copped a plea. Makes him guilty, right? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/164 "2013-02-22T14:42:46Z")
Yeah, but if his record was expunged, you can’t very well blame Arpaio for not knowing about it. > [@Bricker](#): > > Why do you draw that conclusion? Because I wouldn’t have selected a bunch of guys with arrests for violent felonies to serve in my school posse. I suppose it’s possible that all the arrests were unfounded, but how likely is that? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/165 "2013-02-22T17:43:11Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > No, a mere arrest should not be a disqualifying factor, for anything really. > > But I am confused about why we are even arguing about this in respect to Cutler, when the KPHO story clearly states that his record was expunged after he completed an anger-management program. So, dude copped a plea. Makes him guilty, right? Not in the least. He may have agreed to complete an anger management program while still maintaining his innocence, or simply maintaining the state lacked sufficient evidence to convict him. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/166 "2013-02-22T17:44:31Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yeah, but if his record was expunged, you can’t very well blame Arpaio for not knowing about it. > > Because I wouldn’t have selected a bunch of guys with arrests for violent felonies to serve in my school posse. I suppose it’s possible that all the arrests were unfounded, but how likely is that? I have no idea – how many posse members are there? What’s the incidence of unfounded arrests in a sample group where not one arrest led to a conviction? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/167 "2013-02-22T17:52:10Z")
I don’t know, but at least two of the posse members (Jacob Cutler and Clark) were sworn officers at the time of their arrests, and now they’re not. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/168 "2013-02-22T18:10:52Z")
If they have not been found guilty in a court of law, we must presume they are innocent, and therefore, perfectly cromulent to protect **Bricker’s** kids. And if that works for him, it works for him. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/169 "2013-02-22T18:40:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I don’t know, but at least two of the posse members (Jacob Cutler and Clark) were sworn officers at the time of their arrests, and now they’re not. The thing is… if you want to make the case that a particular posse member should not have been hired, it seems like YOU have to make that case. You’re starting from an article that has already shown to be sloppy in a very major way, and asking me to accept inferences drawn from that same questionable well. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/170 "2013-02-22T18:42:12Z")
Those are from the [KPHO article](http://www.kpho.com/story/17159125/criminal-pasts-dont-disqualify-members-of-arpaio-posse) cited in the Salon piece, not the Salon piece itself. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/171 "2013-02-22T18:46:16Z")
I’m a very rational person when it comes to politics. Or contracts. Torts. Car repair. My kid, not so much. Lot of folks are like that. Add to that the fact that I already don’t trust Sheriff Joe any further than I could throw a lead basketball. You would? Cross your heart, scout’s honor, you would let him pick people to protect your kids? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/172 "2013-02-22T18:48:31Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Those are from the [KPHO article](http://www.kpho.com/story/17159125/criminal-pasts-dont-disqualify-members-of-arpaio-posse) cited in the Salon piece, not the Salon piece itself. OK. I’ll say that any conduct which would prevent a person from being hired as a police officer by the New York Police Department should also prevent that person from becoming a posse member. Nothing in that Salon article lays out any such disqualifications. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252/173 "2013-02-25T22:39:27Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > It says they’re just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons. Well played 😃 And for the record, i already thought of Sheriff Joe as a bigot, an idiot and a shameless grandstanding attention whore. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-sheriff-arpaios-idea-of-a-school-protection-posse/650252.md?page=8)