# This is the meta-solution to ethics **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 1, 2014, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566 "2014-03-01T01:22:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Ecmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Ecmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ecmandu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/261 "2014-03-05T05:55:16Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > I’d certainly settle for that, in this case. Hmm… I can’t do the things you’re asking. I’m pretty sure I know how to control statistics of societies by controlling sexual choice, but honestly, I can’t give you much more than this. It seems odd to link so many disparate items of social construction to one variable modified in different ways, but that’s effectively how I see the world, a domino effect of behavior and environment, with certain consistencies that can be artificially produced to control those variables. The primary variables I know are sexual choice and suicidal tension. Maybe in another 10 years. ---
**Author:** ![Ecmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Ecmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ecmandu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/262 "2014-03-05T06:19:22Z")
The problem here is that I don’t think you understand how much you are raising the bar here… I know it’s true, but you might not know it’s true, and you want proof. I wish you could just see it, but alas… actually I want everyone to know these laws, but people won’t believe me. There is one way to run this experiment. I need to develop ways to control people’s thoughts and affect remotely and work with pockets of the population to control sexual choice, while other people aren’t being controlled at all, and modulate the sexual choice variables in different pockets of the human population to actually prove this stuff to you. That might take a while. I’m in the infancy of working on that stuff. Actually, if you just agreed with me, it wouldn’t be necessary, but it is my life’s mission to get everyone to understand the law of sexual choice on affect and behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Ecmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Ecmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ecmandu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/263 "2014-03-05T06:46:41Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > The problem here is that I don’t think you understand how much you are raising the bar here… I know it’s true, but you might not know it’s true, and you want proof. I wish you could just see it, but alas… actually I want everyone to know these laws, but people won’t believe me. > > There is one way to run this experiment. I need to develop ways to control people’s thoughts and affect remotely and work with pockets of the population to control sexual choice, while other people aren’t being controlled at all, and modulate the sexual choice variables in different pockets of the human population to actually prove this stuff to you. > > That might take a while. I’m in the infancy of working on that stuff. Actually, if you just agreed with me, it wouldn’t be necessary, but it is my life’s mission to get everyone to understand the law of sexual choice on affect and behavior. I have no ethical quandaries with developing this technology with regards to human suffering because by controlling these studies I actually add more good to the world than bad by making some pockets of women select more adaptive aggression structures. I would only have to slightly increase the damage women already to assure that only the bullies get sex, but to have other pockets of the population where women actually give non-bullies most the sex is such a tremendous aberration that it actually adds more good to the world to do this study than to not do this study. Perhaps the technology might have other problems, but… I can always destroy it after the study. It is my life’s mission before I die to teach the entire world the tremendous consequences of giving the most aggressive people the most sexual choice, and I will stop at nothing that isn’t ethical, to make sure that they cannot deny it. I planned to do read-only, but I’m starting to realize that people are in tremendous denial about sexual choice, so I am going to go into write access once I solve the read problem. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/264 "2014-03-05T07:12:44Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > Yeah… sorry. I don’t think women know nice guy rules (nice guys know nice guy rules and lots of assholes know nice guys rules, but women don’t know nice guy rules), the implications of violating those rules, and even if they did know the implications, I don’t think they’d sexually select it. They would think that there’s something wrong with it because that’s not how they “feel”, no matter how much evidence supported it. Dude, you still didn’t give me a direct answer! Your arguments are obvious to you because they’re in your brain; if I ask what seems to be a question with an obvious answer, it’s because I genuinely need the answer if I am to fully understand your position. So - Your position is that 1-3% of men opt out of this system, 0% of women opt out of this system. Yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![Ecmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Ecmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ecmandu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/265 "2014-03-05T07:23:47Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > Dude, you still didn’t give me a direct answer! Your arguments are obvious to you because they’re in your brain; if I ask what seems to be a question with an obvious answer, it’s because I genuinely need the answer if I am to fully understand your position. So - > > Your position is that 1-3% of men opt out of this system, 0% of women opt out of this system. Yes or no? Sorry, I thought I answered it earlier, and round about in your reply. Women look for very specific traits in men, they are basically psychopath filters, and on the continuum of psychopathy, you can easily assume that if a woman has had sex with a man, that he is on the continuum. Women do not select males who prevent war, suicide, homicide, torture and rape for sexual partners. The answer is “no”. Here we are now, I’m looking ten years ahead, this thread is done and I have made my decision. It is literally my life’s mission for people to understand the impact that they have upon this species by giving sex to bullies, and I will stop at nothing short of something that is clearly unethical to prove it. I had to change my plans a bit because I thought people could see reason, but they cannot. So, I will give them the reason that they seek. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/266 "2014-03-05T08:00:52Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > stupid Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/267 "2014-03-05T08:17:33Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > 6 people is actually very statistically significant considering that it’s a 1-3% of the population phenomenon, that would be about 1-15 people out of every 600, how many people do you have deep discussions about this topic with? I don’t have deep discussions on this topic, because the phenomenon you’re describing is a rarity on my planet. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/268 "2014-03-05T08:22:14Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Also…it’s **Mangetout**. [Mangetout.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mange_tout) Not **Man get out**. If you wish to use an abbreviation, it would more appropriately be **MT** than **MGO**. Thank you. OP still won’t answer my questions on his claim to know me from 13 years ago. I hink I know why. ---
**Author:** ![Ecmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Ecmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ecmandu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/269 "2014-03-05T08:26:56Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Thank you. > > OP still won’t answer my questions on his claim to know me from 13 years ago. I hink I know why. Umm… this Justthink was not 13 years ago from the searches. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/270 "2014-03-05T08:32:28Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > Umm… this Justthink was not 13 years ago from the searches. So where have we spoken before? ---
**Author:** ![Ecmandu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/958977/32.png) [@Ecmandu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ecmandu)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/271 "2014-03-05T08:35:38Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > So where have we spoken before? Yes. Although, as has been proven in this thread, I didn’t know you very well… I recognize other names too. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/272 "2014-03-05T08:42:49Z")
Where? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/273 "2014-03-05T12:50:27Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Where? Unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/274 "2014-03-05T12:59:04Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Unbelievable. Is it though? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/275 "2014-03-05T13:09:01Z")
I suppose not. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/276 "2014-03-05T13:19:20Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > I can’t do the things you’re asking. He’s asking you to provide any evidence for your wild hypothesis. Since you can’t, there’s really not much point continuing this. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/277 "2014-03-05T13:53:15Z")
> [@Ecmandu](#): > > Umm… this Justthink was not 13 years ago from the searches. You must just be a different person, who just happens to have a rambling, imaginary, grand-unifying, suicide-related mathematical theory of male-female social interaction. It’s more common than I expected. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566/278 "2014-03-05T14:12:43Z")
Right, that’s enough. 1. Ecmandu, I don’t see you debating in good faith. Or, if you are, in a way that others are understanding. 2. The rest of you are degenerating into poster-bashing, which does no one any good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-meta-solution-to-ethics/682566.md?page=13)