# This is the straight truth on War and it's brutal

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**Created:** [January 22, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-straight-truth-on-war-and-its-brutal/743914 "2016-01-22T22:24:18Z")\
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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [January 26, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-the-straight-truth-on-war-and-its-brutal/743914/41 "2016-01-26T05:51:34Z")

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> [@Rune](#):
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> Civilization, like war, is older than our species of humans. Neanderthals had civilization.

You are using a definition of [civilization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization) that few,\* if any\*, actual historians use. Where are you getting it from?

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