# This is who gives environmentalists a bad name.... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 12, 2003, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-who-gives-environmentalists-a-bad-name/194765 "2003-08-12T23:25:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![poink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a3d4f5/32.png) [@poink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/poink)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-who-gives-environmentalists-a-bad-name/194765/21 "2003-08-18T01:44:19Z")
typical. they want these ghastly looking things in the backyards of all of us peasants, but if we dare try to put them where they live, they completely flip. disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-who-gives-environmentalists-a-bad-name/194765/22 "2003-08-18T05:19:20Z")
Well, they could surround the sea windmills with beds of tulips like they do in Holland. Or was that just idyll? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-who-gives-environmentalists-a-bad-name/194765/23 "2003-08-18T13:22:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by poink \* > typical. they want these ghastly looking things in the backyards of all of us peasants, but if we dare try to put them where they live, they completely flip. > > disgusting. \*\* please. 90% of these things are in the middle of nowhere out in the midwest. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-who-gives-environmentalists-a-bad-name/194765/24 "2003-08-18T21:18:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by PhDMetalhead \* > \*\*Nevermind also that the graphic that’s supposed to show how “awful” the proposed project will be doesn’t look all that bad to me (especially if you paint the damn things blue instead of the stark white they choose to use in their graphic). See: > > [http://www.saveoursound.org/visual.html\*\*](http://www.saveoursound.org/visual.html**) I’m going to assume you have no professional experience with comparing engineering concept designs versus as-built installations. Although I posted at length on _supporting_ this particular wind project, I still maintain that it is likely to be somewhat more visible than the low-res “artists concepts” show. Comparing the concept sketches versus as-built ocean installations in Europe could be enlightening to you. > [@](#): > > **One wonders if these dolts have any clue as to what other forms of energy production do to the landscape. Would they prefer to rely on oil, or natural gas?** The percent of US electrical output generated from oil in recent years is close to 2% to 4%. Don’t compare apples to oranges. (and where’s that tall tower…) > [@](#): > > There’s a good article, for example, on the effects of natural gas extraction from coal beds at: What does coalbed methane production, which is a niche energy source at best, have to do with this topic? You would have been better served posting about open-pit coal mines. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-who-gives-environmentalists-a-bad-name/194765/25 "2003-08-21T01:18:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > **The percent of US electrical output generated from oil in recent years is close to 2% to 4%.** Yes – however, the percentage of US electrical output generated from natural gas in recent years is much higher. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-who-gives-environmentalists-a-bad-name/194765.md?page=1)