This is why I hate going to the doctor

I think you have doctors confused with D&D clerics. Doctors can’t cast healing spells.

From all appearances, the doctor told you the appropriate treatment. You had pain and they prescribed a pain killer. You decided to eat fish oil pills instead. They worked for you, which to me suggests that tylenol would have done at least as good a job.

Not sure but that is the only brand that seems to eliminate joint pain

then what is the purpose of them then???

Tylenol was a sad resolution and never eased pain for anything

I can’t remember which book I read it in (either overdiagnosed or overtreated, I don’t recall) the vast majority of the 30 years in life expectancy growth in the 20th century came from public health initiatives. Personal medicine hasn’t really done much for life expectancy.

The stats for personal medicine were something like an overall extra 18 months of life due to doctor visits and pharmaceuticals and an extra 3 years due to hospitals, surgeries, etc. The other 25 years of life expectancy were due to public health. Sanitation, vaccines, clean water, eliminating toxins and pathogens, etc is far more important.

So private medicine has a role, but they aren’t miracle workers. And those figures of 3-5 years aren’t for everyone. Some people who would’ve died at 20 can live to 80 due to modern medicine, some people who would’ve died at 81 without it died at 81 (or maybe 82) with all the medicine.

I have no idea what role personal medicine (as opposed to public) plays in quality of life, healthspan, disability rates, etc. I would hope it is more profound than the role it plays in life expectancy.

And I went to the eye doctor because I was having a vision problem where I would experience blurry vision for about a minute and then it goes away

After the full examination, the eye doctor said they couldn’t find anything and asked me could I live with it?

Or if I want he can move a muscle in my eye:eek:

so someone is having a issue, paying a copay and can’t get a answer as to what is wrong with them and how to fix it?

Exactly my point. Modern medicine can help a lot of people but it can’t cure everyone.
We just recently made great strides in the treatment of Ebola. As medicine progresses it will be able to more effectively treat people but I honestly don’t see a day when every little discomfort can be fixed much less eliminating all the tragic ways people die.

Not in every instance, of course not.
You do realize there is a limit to human understanding and that living things are among the most complex systems we investigate, yes?

They look at symptoms and often refuse to connect any dots, just want to prescribe something to independently mask each one. When they do a procedure on you and mess up, they still charge you for it. Even if it turns out they were wrong and you didn’t need the procedure anyway. Even if you die. It really is complete bullshit the crap they get away with.

so what exactly are they paid to do???

Treat you to the best of their ability given the current imperfect understanding we have of medical science.

Now I have to repeat myself :rolleyes:

You do realize there is a limit to human understanding and that living things are among the most complex systems we investigate, yes?

The Health System sounds like a ripoff

It is a ripoff in many ways because the services are overpriced and the diagnostics/treatments can be a crapshoot or nothing better than what you can come up with for free on your own. Plus medicine can ahve side effects, I’ve got permanent nerve damage due to some useless medical advice.

I’ve had far more luck with masters degreed level medical practitioners (physical therapists, massage therapists, counselors) who charge closer to $50-80/hr than I ever did from physicians and specialists who charge far more.

It certainly has problems.
However if you go to a doctor and he says “Yep, you broke your finger. Not much we can do, I’ll splint it for you if you like but you just need to wait 3 or 4 weeks till it heals” or in your case some mysterious pain that only GNC fish oil will cure it doesn’t mean there’s fraud.
You somehow just cannot seem to grasp that there is a limit to human ability in everything, medicine included.

They are paid to keep their education current and keep abreast of what works for the most people most of the time, and to tell you what that is. Your doctor is paid to know that the vast majority of people of your gender, age, weight and physical mobility level with knee pain have some mild to moderate osteoarthritis. Your doctor is paid to know that for most people with mild to moderate knee pain from osteoarthritis, Tylenol works pretty well without having a whole lot of side effects. If it doesn’t work for you after you try it and tell him that it isn’t working, your doctor is paid to tell you the next thing that works second best with the second fewest side effects for the most people. Your doctor is paid to read mind numbing articles like this about dozens of conditions and to remember when evidence changes in favor of different treatments that are more effective, or when problems are found with treatments that make them not such a good idea.

They’re educated oddsmakers, really. Most of the people, most of the time. That’s what evidence based medicine is.

What works for you may be different, and a good doctor won’t get in the way of that (unless he knows of a danger that you don’t - gingko might work to improve your memory, but if you’re also on Plavix and warfarin and you take garlic when you get a cold, a good doctor will tell you that the combo of those four puts you at greatly increased risk of GI bleeding.). But your doctor doesn’t know your body’s individual quirks. Your doctor only knows averages and majorities. You’re responsible for learning your own body’s idiosyncrasies.

Yes I remember her saying it was Osteoarthritis and then said Tylenol. And I am sure if my knee continued to hurt she would have recommended knee replacement surgery

Just about a year ago I went through a severe attack of pancreatitis.
I can tell you two things about that week

  1. I doubt fish oil would have fixed it, even the stuff from GNC
  2. After 4 hours of that pain you would do anything to make it go away. Morphine is a wonder drug. Again I have my doubts about fish oil.

You got an evaluation, a diagnosis, a non-intrusive option, and you assume an intrusive surgical option if you preferred it. What is it you wanted that isn’t covered by this response?

Fish Oil cures Arthritis not Panncreatis