This is why people hate bicyclists

Ahh…yes because all cars signal, stop at yellows and don’t run stop signs.

Wait the VAST MAJORITY of cars speed up at yellows and don’t stop at stop signs (especially when there is no other traffic)

How about you quit making moral judgements about the actions of others who you view as not being in the same group as you.

I assume that is true whether I’m riding a bike or driving a car. I live in Boston.

Where did I say they didn’t?

While I don’t necessarily disagree…cite?

Please explain where I made any moral judgment? While you’re at it, please explain what group I’m not a part of that I’m casting aspersions upon?

WARNING PDF http://azbikelaw.org/cases/stopsigns/Feest1968.pdf

Note how only 15% fully stopped when there was no cross traffic.

Here is a study of a residential T intersection over several years where only 1% of cars made a full legal stop.

http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pms.1997.85.1.217

And here is another with 6% compliance with the law.

http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pms.1999.89.3f.1193

This is not a mode of transportation issue, it is human behavior. The only reason ANY of this is ascribed to “cagers” or “motorcyclists” or “bicyclists” is the fundamental attribution error.

I’m sure there’s research more recent than 1968, and not limited to SoCal. Since I’m interested now I’ll do my own research later on today. As I said, I don’t disagree with your assertion…but “VAST MAJORITY” is a pretty ballsy claim, and I’d like to see some decent research on the numbers.

ETA: Thanks, those are awesome. I’ll read them in a bit.

Please bear in mind that I have made no attribution errors.

How about my other questions for you?

Just to go off topic a bit, but the funny thing is I do a full stop when I’m mostly alone, and a rolling stop when there are other motorists at the stop signs. Why? Because none of them do a full stop! So when I come to a full stop they get utterly confused as to who gets legal right of way (“Is something wrong?! They stopped all the way!!”) and we end up with 3 or 4 cars all waving their hands at each other to go first and doing the start-stop jerk. They’re not being polite, it’s that it seems literally nobody else knows what to do when there are two cars stopped at a stop sign at the same time. I’ve also had people get to a stop sign before me, going straight, stop completely and wave me through even though I arrived after them AND I’m turning (with my signal on). What the hell, guys. The three or four way stop is not this hard to understand.

If I do a rolling stop like them, and go right on time for my legal right of way instead of taking the extra half second to stop fully, we don’t end in one big circlejerk.

So the question was: Why would anyone try (badly) to do a trackstand instead of just putting his foot down?

And the answer, apparently, is: Well, cars roll through stop signs!!

Well, that escalated quickly.

Next question: Why does the act of badly trackstanding make some people so irate they need to create a pitting?

And the answer, apparently, is: I hate bicyclists so much I have to come up with new ways to hate!!

  1. You haven’t established that he was doing a trackstand badly, all trackstands involve some moving around. Based on what you’ve written in this thread, I don’t have a lot of faith in your observations here.

  2. You’ve ignored the other answers given in this thread because they don’t fit in your worldview, apparently. Cars violating all sorts of traffic laws is a related issue but not central to why bikers do trackstands.

You got me. It’s a fair cop. I’m busted.

What I thought was mild ire at unsafe behavior in traffic has actually opened a window into the dark and pitted recesses of the blackness of my soul, exposing it to be nothing but a cauldron of rage and fury.

Now that I’ve seen myself as others see me, I shall devote my life to meditation and good works.

Thank you.

Your blood pressure thanks you! :slight_smile:

Lord knows I need more biking and meditation!

No, when you roll through stop signs you have a “reason” but when bikers do something that is merely annoying to you it is a moral failing on their part.

Have you ever considered that doing track stands takes a lot of skill and practice…Even if he was slightly wobbly the rider will only get better by practicing.

Excuse the bike rider for not just coasting through life, content will mediocrity. It is such a jerk move for them to force you to watch them trackstand. I am sure you should contact a lawyer and get compensation for your emotional damage.

Or you could continue hating others due to your own issues…that may be easier, and according to your posts that sounds like your prefered way anyhoo.

And lucky for you hate is easy too.

Wow. You are completely not reading any answers you don’t like.

Try starting a bike with your foot down. It is slower and harder than starting while trackstanding. You ignored that logic because you feel people on bikes should want that extra difficulty because they are out exercising. You don’t like that reason, but it is still a reason.

Macca26 gave you another reason. You probably don’t like that one, either.

Yet another reason is that sometimes it can be difficult to clip back in. Not always, and with proper cleats it isn’t, but for the particular cyclist you saw maybe it was. Another reason you can ignore if you want.

Feel free to stand by your argument it is somehow a danger to pedestrians, drivers and the biker himself, but even if that were true (it isn’t), that doesn’t mean no reasons were provided.

I don’t hate “bicyclists”. It does sound little weird to me, though. What’s wrong with “cyclists”?

Wow, how’s the view from up there on the moral high ground?

As with most disputes, once we eliminate the silliness and the name-calling, this probably comes down to assumptions and definitions.

If a cyclist can do a trackstand well enough to remain within the lines of the bike lane, then more power to him. If he thinks that is easier than putting his foot down, then who am I to argue, and I certainly don’t care.

If he’s inept enough that he can’t stay in the lines, though, and wobbles into the traffic lane, then he’s a danger to himself and to others.

Well I’m fine with bicyclists and tricyclists myself, but don’t get me started on unicyclists!!

Yeah, the nerve of that rat avatar. Standing above you like you were the one thrown in the pit.

To be fair, rat avatar does seem to have a hair trigger. It’s understandable, I suppose; s/he’s feeling personally attacked. But it’s a bit indiscriminate, and IMHO a bit overblown. (I’m “content with mediocrity” because I don’t trackstand? Really?)
What say, rat? Mind following up on why you jumped my shit so hard for no reason?