# This is Why we are Doomed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 5, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543 "2017-07-05T14:36:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/41 "2017-07-06T14:42:00Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > It is quite typical for right wingers, when their stupid knee jerk reactions prove embarrassing, to claim that they must have been liberal trolls pretending to be conservatives. > > Why? Because conservatives troll. They’re also the biggest projectors in the universe, consistently accusing their adversaries of their own failings and flaws. Projecting? Did you read the linked article? Ed Mazza is the one who claimed, without proof, that Trump supporters flipped out. _NPR Tweeted Declaration Of Independence, And Trump Supporters Flipped Out They didn’t recognize the words and thought NPR was calling for revolution. By Ed Mazza_ Is there any proof that Trump supporters listen to what NPR has to say? Is there any proof that Trump supporters commented on NPR’s DoI tweeting? Is Ed Mazza talking outta his ass? Haters gotta hate. Are there people who will believe anything bad that is said about Trump? Even if it comes from a fake news purveyor like Ed Mazza? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/42 "2017-07-06T14:53:54Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Why do you think that they were listening to NPR? The tweets were not on the radio broadcast, so your idea that they got it from listening to the radio broadcast does not make any sense at all. If they had been listening to the radio broadcast, in fact, they would have probably gotten it in context, and not been quite as knee-jerk reactionary. > > …So, you made the accusation, with no proof or reasoning behind it that these people were librul trolls, do you have any way of backing that up, or is that just your attempt at deflecting what terrible company you keep? (post shortened, underline added) Who is this “they” you are referring to? First things first. Ed Mazza claims that Trump supporters flipped out. Where is his proof? Do you expect him to provide proof? I don’t know who flipped out but I did notice that Ed Mazza provided no proof to back up his claim. Has anyone done the homework to determine who objected to NPR’s tweets of the DoI? Ed Mazza is convinced that they are Trump supporters. Are you convinced that Ed Mazza has proof that it was Trump supporters who objected to the tweets? Or are you just basing your assumption on your feelings? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/43 "2017-07-06T14:57:53Z")
What is your alternative theory as to who it was that flipped out? Clinton supporters? Internet Bots controlled by the Russians? Aliens? What is your more likely explanation? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/44 "2017-07-06T15:00:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Do you want a trigger warning next time? A “trigger warning”? From you? What would be the point? Thanks for the offer, though. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/45 "2017-07-06T15:03:42Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > What is your alternative theory as to who it was that flipped out? > > Clinton supporters? > Internet Bots controlled by the Russians? > Aliens? > > What is your more likely explanation? I have no idea. That’s why I am asking for clarification. Some people prefer to believe Ed Mezza’s version of what occurred. Some don’t. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/46 "2017-07-06T15:04:04Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Did NPR verify that the responding tweets actually came from actual Trump voters/supporters? I’m guessing that HuffPo wouldn’t have made the effort to actually verify who the responders were. They were obviously fucking morons, so plainly they supported Twitler. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/47 "2017-07-06T15:08:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I have no idea. That’s why I am asking for clarification. Some people prefer to believe Ed Mezza’s version of what occurred. Some don’t. Some people choose to put their fingers in their ears and yell “lalalala I can’t hear you” when confronted with things that challenge their preconceived notions. In case you didn’t pick up on that I was referring to you. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/48 "2017-07-06T15:54:41Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > They were obviously fucking morons, so plainly they supported Twitler. That seems to be the standard Democrat party line. No proof required, feelings, etc… SSDD. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/49 "2017-07-06T15:55:03Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened, underline added) > > Who is this “they” you are referring to? > > First things first. Ed Mazza claims that Trump supporters flipped out. Where is his proof? Do you expect him to provide proof? I don’t know who flipped out but I did notice that Ed Mazza provided no proof to back up his claim. > > Has anyone done the homework to determine who objected to NPR’s tweets of the DoI? Ed Mazza is convinced that they are Trump supporters. Are you convinced that Ed Mazza has proof that it was Trump supporters who objected to the tweets? Or are you just basing your assumption on your feelings? Well, actually, since you are the one claiming Fake News, it’s up to you to demonstrate proof of fakery if this is such an issue for you. I’m in a generous mood today, however, so I’ll help you out here. Here’s proof that you are correct. I objected to NPR’s tweeting of the Declaration of Independence, and I’m not a Trump supporter. Of course, my objection was mainly that posting a lengthy document 140 characters at a time seems rather daft, and I never posted about it because I don’t do Twitter, but other than that, you are clearly correct. Hey, the above is at least as logical as anything you’ve posted in this thread so far. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/50 "2017-07-06T15:59:33Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Some people choose to put their fingers in their ears and yell “lalalala I can’t hear you” when confronted with things that challenge their preconceived notions. (post shortened) Hahahaha. Which preconceived notion? That the irate twitters must be Trump supporters? Is that based on your feelings, or do you have some kind of actual proof? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/51 "2017-07-06T16:06:25Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Hahahaha. Which preconceived notion? That the irate twitters must be Trump supporters? Is that based on your feelings, or do you have some kind of actual proof? So which is more likely, sTrumpets get upset at a perceived slight against their Messiah or that thousands of non-Trump supporters organized in a matter of seconds to create new Twitter accounts to pretend to be outraged, pig-ignorant sTrumpets? What do you think\*, **Doorhinge**? \*irony intended ETA: _trigger warning_ ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/52 "2017-07-06T16:07:35Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Hahahaha. Which preconceived notion? That the irate twitters must be Trump supporters? Is that based on your feelings, or do you have some kind of actual proof? There’s more projection going on in your posts in this thread than there is at the 18 screen cineplex down the road. Hahaha indeed:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/53 "2017-07-06T16:10:16Z")
Look folks, there’s zero benefit from engaging Doorhinge on this unless you want to see three pages of bullshit. Just stop feeding the troll, please. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/54 "2017-07-06T16:15:23Z")
Yeah, I actually do know better. Bored today I guess. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/55 "2017-07-06T16:28:22Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened, underline added) > > Who is this “they” you are referring to? > > First things first. Ed Mazza claims that Trump supporters flipped out. Where is his proof? Do you expect him to provide proof? I don’t know who flipped out but I did notice that Ed Mazza provided no proof to back up his claim. > > Has anyone done the homework to determine who objected to NPR’s tweets of the DoI? Ed Mazza is convinced that they are Trump supporters. Are you convinced that Ed Mazza has proof that it was Trump supporters who objected to the tweets? Or are you just basing your assumption on your feelings? What “they” do you think I am referring to? Do you have a problem with antecedents? I am talking about the “they” that responded to the tweeting of the DOI with complaints that NPR was being mean to the poor widdle pwesident. You know, your people. So, you have proof that it was not trump supporters, please provide it. Otherwise, you are just projecting your hopes, with absolutely no proof behind it. You are desperately scrambling and trying to hold onto hope that the people on your side aren’t that stupid, but they are, they really are. They knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of the guy they voted for is unthinking, just as your attempts at defense go. But, just to assuage your concners, as you seem to be happy spouting these conspiracy theories of yours, I went ahead and looked up the authors of the tweets. First, we have [DeplorableJJ](https://twitter.com/deplorable_jj), if she is a liberal plant, she is pretty dedicated, with her twitter history being all pro-trump anti dem since 2010 with 51.5k tweets. That’s one dedicated liberal. She is the one who said “Are you drunk? Your silly tweets make your state of mind questionable.” Second up, we have [Terry](https://twitter.com/xebec78), he says, in reaction to the decloration of independance, “Horsechit”. He has been on twitter since april of 2015, and has 12.8k tweets. All anti-dem. Third, we have cavecreek, who says, when he reads the words of Thomas Jefferson on the Fourth of July, “Please stop, this is not the right place.” His twitter handle is actually “Fetus Guns Money”. Now, he’s only been on twitter for a little bit, with only a few posts, so it is possible that he is a liberal in disguise, so it’ll be interesting to see if he keeps it up. He is still going with the anti-dem rhetoric though, so it does seem as though he is just a trump supporter inspired to join twitter by NPR’s audacity to tweet one of the founding documents of our nation on the day we celebrate as the day of it’s birth. If you want to keep an eye on e that one, you might actually find one of your libruls in disguise that you think make up the majority, or even all of the idiotic tweets about the declaration of independance. And the last one I am going to bother looking up for you is [Elephino](https://twitter.com/mriendea), twitter user and anti-democratic tweeter since 2009 with nearly 9000 tweets. So, there’s a bit of homework for you. Have you done ANY at all to try to discredit them? Have you done any at all to try to prove your conspiracy theory that it was actually liberals in disguise making all these tweets? Yeah, I didn’t think so. If you had, you would have realized that your accusations are baseless and stupid. Go back to your safe place, you precious little snowflake, and don’t come out until you can stop hating your country. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/56 "2017-07-06T16:33:28Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > you would have realized that your accusations are baseless and stupid. You’re addressing someone who does not have that capacity and/or does not give a shit. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/57 "2017-07-06T16:38:49Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, there’s a bit of homework for you. Have you done ANY at all to try to discredit them? Have you done any at all to try to prove your conspiracy theory that it was actually liberals in disguise making all these tweets? An ultra-Conservative doing _work?_ That would entail _responsibility!_ And as ‘The Party of Responsibility’ has shown repeatedly, they do not and _will_ not take responsibility for _anything_. Especially when it comes to doing their own homework. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/58 "2017-07-06T17:15:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You can’t even spell my nom de plume correctly. The chances of you providing any proof of your claim/opinion is slim. Well, I did offer that we would agree on a methodology. But clearly the answer is no, because I misspelled something you don’t trust me. Ok fine. But I was comfortable all day long taking that bet and I would have paid if I lost. So I am going to take that to mean you’re not as sure of your position as I am. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/59 "2017-07-06T17:35:14Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > You’re addressing someone who does not have that capacity and/or does not give a shit. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > An ultra-Conservative doing _work?_ That would entail _responsibility!_ And as ‘The Party of Responsibility’ has shown repeatedly, they do not and _will_ not take responsibility for _anything_. Especially when it comes to doing their own homework. Yeah, I know, but he did bring up a good point that it was possible that these were just libruls trying to make conservatives look bad. It took me all of maybe 30 seconds to track down those 4, plus another several that I didn’t bother to write up, and confirm that they were all pretty firm trump supporters, or exceedingly dedicated librul plants. It did take me a bit longer to write it up, but I type fast, and I was watching someone walk their dog in the rain, so I didn’t really waste any of my time. In any case, it will be interesting to see if he continues on this line of argument that he has been trying to push, now that it seems it should be obvious to even him that his conspiracy theory holds no water. That he has been pushing it proves he is not just stupid enough to come up with an idea like that, but also too lazy to look it up himself. If he continues pushing it, then he’s not just stupid and lazy, but he also has no problem being a liar too. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543/60 "2017-07-06T20:24:57Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > It’s the modern-day liberals who miss the big picture. The whole reason for the Revolution was that the Founding Fathers wanted to get out from under the thumb of big government who insisted on trashing their rights. As a matter of fact, if you go around quoting the Founding Fathers without telling people the source of the quotes, liberals will think that you’re a very dangerous person. lol I don’t think so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-is-why-we-are-doomed/790543.md?page=4)