# This Isn't Hillary Clinton's Fault. Where's Obama? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473 "2016-11-11T06:13:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/41 "2016-11-16T19:23:48Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I think your problem is that you get your understanding of politics from email forwards. > > Barack Obama is not the most liberal president in modern era. In fact, he’s the most moderate. > > That’s according to a new study by political scientists Keith Poole and Christopher Hare at the University of Georgia. > > … > > The data shows that from 1945 to 2011 Republican presidents have moved more to the right than Democratic presidents have moved to the left. In fact, the Democrats have become more moderate, not liberal. > > … > > Obama has been the most moderate president since 1945 > > Hey, you’ve just learned that what you thought was correct was in fact wrong. A smart person might change his opinion when his understanding of the facts changes. But I think we all know you won’t do that… Your mistake here was to use data and factual analysis. This has no place in Clothy’s world. If you challenge him, he will merely ignore you, or use the logical proposition of telling you to “fuck off”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/42 "2016-11-16T19:30:20Z")
> [@](#): > > My stomach hurts from laughing. It always surprises me about tighty-rightys. They are so often “amused” and “entertained”, chortling and chucklesome, and yet post with such bitterness and anger. Perhaps theirs is the laughter than knows no joy. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/43 "2016-11-16T20:18:38Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Wow. Just wow. You sound upset. Perhaps you should curl up with your blankie and retreat to your safe space. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/44 "2016-11-16T20:30:04Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I’ve been laughing at most of the responses to the OP, but OMG, your post took the cake. My stomach hurts from laughing. > > I love revisionists. You people really do live in an alternate reality. I guess we really do live in an alternate reality. Does Obama have a beard in your world? Because that would explain it, you’re posting from the Mirror Universe. The reality is that in the Prime Universe, Obama is the most conservative president we’ve had since Eisenhower. That’s just fact. It’s only in the Mirror Universe where he’s a Churchill bust hating, Marine not saluting Kenyan anti-colonial Marxist Muslim. It’s in the Mirror Universe that he screamed and became unhinged at a protester at one of his rallies. In our universe, none of those things happened. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/45 "2016-11-16T20:51:49Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > It’s in the Mirror Universe that he screamed and became unhinged at a protester at one of his rallies. > > In our universe, none of those things happened. I’m pretty confident that Clothy actually thinks that happened. He read it on the intertubes. If you don’t agree, then he’ll tell you to fuck off. So that means he’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/46 "2016-11-16T21:00:36Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > The reality is that in the Prime Universe, Obama is the most conservative president we’ve had since Eisenhower. That’s just fact. You might be missing a word in there. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/47 "2016-11-16T21:51:12Z")
He’s been too busy building a shed to store all the fucks he does not give about your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/48 "2016-11-16T22:11:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It always surprises me about tighty-rightys. They are so often “amused” and “entertained”, chortling and chucklesome, and yet post with such bitterness and anger. Perhaps theirs is the laughter than knows no joy. The word you’re looking for is\* gloating.\* They laugh at the fear and suffering and others, because they’re all sadists. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/49 "2016-11-17T03:45:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But there’s proof that it’s not just Clinton’s fault. Clinton didn’t make the Democrats lose 18 governors mansions, 20 state legislative chambers, 60 House seats, and 14 Senate seats. Either Obama did that or it “just happened” which seems to be the belief of most Democrats. no, Clinton didn’t\*. But Obama didn’t either. It makes no sense at all to blame him. I wouldn’t say it “just happened.” I say that the people voted. You maybe can blame the party for not supporting the Dems enough–if that’s the case, but that’s about it. The President is not responsible for local races. That’s just silly. \*Well, there is a coattail effect, but it’s more going to affect the federal Congress than anything. And it seems that, going by this year, it has less to do with the presidential candidate and more to do with having the same demographics vote for both elections–since they are on the same ballot. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/50 "2016-11-17T10:50:55Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > You sound upset. Perhaps you should curl up with your blankie and retreat to your safe space. too bad thats you campus liberal baby types with your safe spaces. Real American patriots and adults don’t need them. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/51 "2016-11-17T10:57:56Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > too bad thats you campus liberal baby types with your safe spaces. No, the Right constantly, relentlessly demands that _everywhere_ be made into a “safe space” for them. They cannot tolerate any form of dissent, anything but complete submission to their will, or anyone who is not identical to them. They are malignant cowards. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2016, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473/52 "2016-11-17T12:36:04Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > too bad thats you campus liberal baby types with your safe spaces. Real American patriots and adults don’t need them. You’re not a patriot. You’re a bigot and a coward. You’ve never risked anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-isnt-hillary-clintons-fault-wheres-obama/771473.md?page=2)