# This Just In...Fox News Channel is bunch of lying fucks **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2021, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180 "2021-01-22T06:13:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2024, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2002 "2024-01-03T19:47:30Z")
Talk about a Trump card! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2003 "2024-01-04T00:19:16Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > figure draped in black looking down at three overturned cups Ohhh, the Five of Cups. Not good: > The Five of Cups is associated with sadness, loss, despair, and loneliness. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2004 "2024-01-04T01:37:31Z")
Reminds me of the days when the wax-Nancy consulted an astrologer in order to provide advice to the dumbfuck. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2005 "2024-01-04T01:43:26Z")
I know we should use quotes around the “News” portion of Fox “News”, but is that sort of entertainment segment common on other new shows? We don’t watch any news channels so I don’t have any sort of indication of what is typical. The most I see of cable news is at airports and relatives houses and I try not to pay attention. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2006 "2024-01-04T01:54:46Z")
I proudly watch MSNBC. It is mostly opinion, though afaIct they do not outright lie. They also call out Democrats and other progressives that screw up. No, they don’t hire psychics either. Well, I’ve never seen it. They are pretty serious. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2007 "2024-01-04T02:37:27Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > I proudly watch MSNBC. It is mostly opinion … Rachel Maddow may be delivering opinion, but her level of research and citation is quite breathtaking. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2008 "2024-01-04T03:14:27Z")
There’s a vast difference between ‘bias’ and ‘factual accuracy.’ I used to watch Amy Goodman regularly. “Democracy Now,” IMHO, is another example of a journalist/program/outlet whose ‘bias’ is clear, but whose facts are rock solid. But this is clearly a profound digression from the OP 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2009 "2024-01-04T03:25:54Z")
Yes, she is totally my favorite news person. I like Lawrence O’Donnell too. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2010 "2024-01-04T17:47:27Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > I proudly watch MSNBC. It is mostly opinion, though afaIct they do not outright lie. MSNBC is our go-to. It’s on right now as I type this. Yes, they have an obvious editorial bias. Fortunately, they are anchored to facts. One of the reasons I stopped watching CNN was that they had too many segments where they had point-counterpoint “debates” where one side was a GOP hack vomiting baseless talking points. They often ended up as shouting matches. I welcome different perspectives, but I prefer they come from serious people, tethered to reality. I don’t know if that’s still CNN’s shtick, but if it is, no thanks. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2011 "2024-01-07T14:53:02Z")
I can’t even watch MSNBC anymore. They have constant polls about Biden losing and I just can’t stomach it. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2012 "2024-01-09T19:03:16Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > > [@Sylvanz](#): > > > > I proudly watch MSNBC. It is mostly opinion, though afaIct they do not outright lie. > > MSNBC is our go-to. It’s on right now as I type this. Yes, they have an obvious editorial bias. Fortunately, they are anchored to facts. Not always. See [Failed Fact Checks](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/). ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2013 "2024-01-09T19:59:53Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Not always. See [Failed Fact Checks](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/msnbc/). I didn’t read through all the fact checks, but of the two “pants on fire” assessments, one was chuckleheaded math (embarrassing, but not a deliberate lie) and the other resulted in an apology the next day. I don’t hold them to a standard of perfection. I do expect them to consider facts to be critically important, unlike Fox et.al., and I believe they do. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2014 "2024-01-09T21:37:11Z")
Yeah. BIG difference between “makes mistakes” and “constant, purposeful lies.” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2015 "2024-01-09T21:41:22Z")
Trump supporters assure me that CNN’s fuckup wrt [**Nicholas Sandmann**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Lincoln_Memorial_confrontation#) is _exactly the same in every single respect_ as Fox News’s role in The Big Lie. > You can’t reason a person _out of_ a belief that they didn’t use reason to hold in the first place. –Jonathan Swift ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2016 "2024-01-09T22:37:48Z")
[Another doozy](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=pants-fire&speaker=rachel-maddow): Rachel Maddow making the claim that a new Ohio law "requires women seeking an abortion to undergo a “mandatory vaginal probe.” These examples don’t remotely put MSNBC in the same class as Fox News with its rampant misrepresentation and outright falsehoods. But pious statements about how progressive icons are “anchored in facts” make me queasy. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2017 "2024-01-09T22:47:37Z")
To me it’s the difference between being an actual journalist and not being one. Journalists make mistakes and bad decisions. But they at least have standards they’re trying to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2018 "2024-01-09T23:49:40Z")
Maddow was at best sloppy in her read of the bill. She said it mandates a trans-vaginal ultrasound. Nope. It mandates a trans-abdominal ultrasound. She should have clarified it with an apology, and she apparently did not. But this is not in the same universe as the vile mythology conjured up on Fox. And you do you, but my threshold for “anchored to facts” does not include never fucking up, ever. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2019 "2024-01-10T04:05:49Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Rachel Maddow making the claim that a new Ohio law "requires women seeking an abortion to undergo a “mandatory vaginal probe.” And yet there are states that have enacted or considered such laws. fe.”20 B. TYPES OF MANDATORY ULTRASOUND LEGISLATION Among the many mandatory ultrasound bills and laws that require a transvaginal ultrasound, there are four apparent degrees of specificity in the language used. First, and most explicit, a bill in Alabama specifically mentions transvaginal ultrasounds. Second, a 2013 bill in Indiana refers exclusively to medical abortions, like those performed through oral administration of termination medications such as RU-486. This bill would require both a pre-abortion ultrasound and a post-abortion ultrasound.21 Third, Idaho’s bill does not use the words “vagina,” “vaginal,” or “transvaginal,” but does acknowledge that multiple ultrasound techniques exist.22 And finally, the legislation from Pennsylvania,23 Texas,24 Kentucky,25 Virginia,26 and North Carolina27 all refer generally to an ultrasound requirement and would, in practice, often require a transvaginal ultrasound in order to comply with the legislation, because according to the Guttmacher Institute, 88% of abortions occur in the first twelve weeks of pregnancy (the first trimester), and almost 62% occur in the first nine weeks.28 During these weeks of a pregnancy, an abdominal ultrasound would likely be ineffective due to the position and small size of the embryo. Thus, this legislation essentially would require the majority of, if not all, women seeking abortions to submit to transvaginal ultrasounds.29 [https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=7467&context=jclc](https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=7467&context=jclc) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2020 "2024-01-10T13:18:21Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > > You can’t reason a person _out of_ a belief that they didn’t use reason to hold in the first place. > > –Jonathan Swift This does not sound even remotely like Swift’s phrasing – it’s far too modern in its use of idiom. I’ve read a lot of Swift (especially _Gulliver’s Travels_, which I’ve re-read multiple times), and I am pretty familiar with Swift’s means of expression. This ain’t it. I turned to the Quote Investigator, which looked into this. Long story short, Swift expressed the same idea, but in 18th century phrasing. It’s been mutating ever since. As he originally expressed it: > [@](#): > > Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired You can read all about it here: [https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/07/10/reason-out/#:~:text=As%20Dean%20Swift%20says%3A%20“You,he%20never%20reasoned%20himself%20into.”&text=It%20is%20not%20for%20us,%2C%20cannot%20be%20reasoned%20out.”](https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/07/10/reason-out/#:~:text=As%20Dean%20Swift%20says%3A%20%E2%80%9CYou,he%20never%20reasoned%20himself%20into.%E2%80%9D&text=It%20is%20not%20for%20us,%2C%20cannot%20be%20reasoned%20out.%E2%80%9D) ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/2021 "2024-01-10T15:09:58Z")
Apologies, Cal. I was quoting a guy – Jonathan Swift – that I knew from college. No relation. I always wondered if the words were legitimately his. 😉 [thanks for the correction. I shall strive to commit it to memory] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180.md?page=100) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180.md?page=102)