# This Just In...Fox News Channel is bunch of lying fucks **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2021, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180 "2021-01-22T06:13:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/401 "2021-07-25T07:06:51Z")
Moved to the right. Yawn. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/402 "2021-07-25T13:03:36Z")
I’d be interested in a cite for that, if you can. I _do_ remember Fox doing something akin to what you describe: **[SOURCE](https://venngage.com/blog/misleading-graphs/#Misleading-Coronavirus-graphs)** This was the chart they showed. Take note of the X- and Y-axes, and the inconsistent periodicity of the data they purport to present: [![](https://venngage-wordpress.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2018/09/Misleading-Graphs-2020-Examples-4.jpg) ](https://venngage-wordpress.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2018/09/Misleading-Graphs-2020-Examples-4.jpg) Per the article’s author: > Here is a rough estimate of what that graph should have looked like: [![](https://venngage-wordpress.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2018/09/Misleading-Graphs-2020-Examples-9.png) ](https://venngage-wordpress.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/2018/09/Misleading-Graphs-2020-Examples-9.png) Gulling the rubes. Same as it ever was … ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/403 "2021-07-25T14:18:00Z")
> **[r/assholedesign - This CNN graph on polling about violent crime](https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/o6r4ek/this_cnn_graph_on_polling_about_violent_crime/)** > > 23,060 votes and 692 comments so far on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/404 "2021-07-25T14:37:53Z")
I’m not sure that the backwards dating is the _worst_ thing about that graph. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/405 "2021-07-25T14:50:03Z")
Holy crap, that is awful. Obviously the backward dates immediately make it **deliberately** visually misleading, but as some of the comments also pointed out: - The dates aren’t evenly spaced - It’s just an opinion poll, but that’s not stated clearly - The error margins basically swamp whatever trend they’re supposed to have found - Of course the y axis doesn’t start at 0, but that one is the usual, vanilla cheat on cable news ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/406 "2021-07-25T15:01:40Z")
Yeah, the rest is bad, but they’re not necessarily deliberately misleading, which is the only reason you’d do the dates like that. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/407 "2021-07-25T15:15:49Z")
Yep, agreed. I would guess they planned to talk about a “surge in violent crime”, and even had a guest booked to talk about that, and then got desperate trying to find anything to support the premise. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/408 "2021-07-25T16:03:17Z")
I’m not sure the point of it. If the numbers were in the right order, it would still see an uptick on the graph at the end. Not as large and consistent a one implied by the backwards dating, but it would still be an uptick. I’m personally more “offended” that they didn’t say what the graph was about. It’s not about violent crime, or number of those who have experienced violent crime, just a poll on how people feel about violent crime. Anyway, I’m more willing to chalk this up to stupidity and a need for sensationalism than maliciously attempting to misinform viewers, as I generally do for the news channel of the pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/409 "2021-07-25T16:53:45Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’m not sure the point of it. > > If the numbers were in the right order, it would still see an uptick on the graph at the end. > > Not as large and consistent a one implied by the backwards dating, but it would still be an uptick. Well the reversed graph gives the impression of a) a _pattern_ of increase (two months in a row of increase) b) the highest point being now, so a record high for the period being shown, instead of merely the third highest value out of 4 I just don’t see how this could happen by accident, it seems deliberately misleading to me. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/410 "2021-07-25T23:41:31Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > This was the chart they showed. Take note of the X- and Y-axes, and the inconsistent periodicity of the data they purport to present: And they’re using the **John** Hopkins tracker. Much less reliable than the Johns Hopkins tracker. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/411 "2021-07-26T00:03:59Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Yep, agreed. > > I would guess they planned to talk about a “surge in violent crime”, and even had a guest booked to talk about that, and then got desperate trying to find anything to support the premise. What confuses me is that the graphic teases the Biden plan to address what I’m being invited to infer is an actual surge in actual violent crime, but the graph itself is showing variations in how many people think violent crime is a big problem. And, as **Mijin** points out , the margins of error swamp the actual variations. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/412 "2021-07-26T01:05:44Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > And they’re using the **John** Hopkins tracker. Much less reliable than the Johns Hopkins tracker. Due respect: have you _priced_ the singular vis-a-vis the plural recently ? One could be forgiven for … 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/413 "2021-07-27T22:26:16Z")
Just saw Hannitys promo…Hunter Biden, Portrait of a crack head. Normally, that would surprise me, such disregard for those who’ve had addictions. Not surprised at Fox anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/414 "2021-07-27T22:29:45Z")
When is Hannity doing the addiction-themed show for Donald Jr? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/415 "2021-07-28T14:15:04Z")
Or Mr. Pillow. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/416 "2021-07-28T14:19:27Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Just saw Hannitys promo…Hunter Biden, Portrait of a crack head. Normally, that would surprise me, such disregard for those who’ve had addictions. Not surprised at Fox anymore. It does amuse me that Republicans and Fox News continue to attack Hunter Biden, Kamala Harris and others because apparently they have nothing on Joe Biden himself. And it may also be that Biden himself is likeable, particularly by their viewers, so it doesn’t pay to criticize him. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/417 "2021-07-30T00:42:43Z")
I now think Tucker doesn’t believe all he spouts, its just to get a reaction. Had it on my TV; wasn’t listening but watching the titles. Starting with Lunatic leaders spiralling out of control, Policy run by crazy cat ladies with a pic of Pelosi, and Bad Boy Biden drives a big truck. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/418 "2021-07-30T16:06:24Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I now think Tucker doesn’t believe all he spouts, its just to get a reaction. Whoa! Mind blown. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/419 "2021-07-31T14:35:04Z")
Meh, he seems savoury. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2021, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180/420 "2021-07-31T17:10:12Z")
No mention yet of Trump’s conversation with Justice officials with the intention of mucking up the election results or of the DOJ ordering Treasury to turn over Donald’s tax returns. I figure it’s only a matter of time before they formulate a policy of decrying this breach of Executive Privilege. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-fox-news-channel-is-bunch-of-lying-fucks/931180.md?page=22)