# This just in - Hugo Chavez is still crazy \[says US machine caused Haiti quake\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 21, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860 "2010-01-21T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/21 "2010-01-21T18:06:13Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > 1.) Sure, we could maybe start an earthquake if we wanted to. Drop enough nukes on a fault line that’s already close to going, and you might cause an earthquake. Possibly. I guess. (I’m not a geologist, but that sounds plausible.) Sure, but we learned not to do that again after the Cobra Base incident. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/22 "2010-01-21T18:08:04Z")
Chavez is a walking talking Rick-Roll. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/23 "2010-01-21T18:11:31Z")
> [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](#): > > Kimstu, we’ve “debated” 9/11 as a false-flag operation here ad nauseam, so I don’t think this is too far out of the realm of debatable topics. Sure— this is just a “wafer-thin” mint of ignorance, after that gluttonous banquet. What’s the worst that could happen? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/24 "2010-01-21T18:22:04Z")
Offhand, I can think of three methods that we might be able to use to start an earthquake. The previously mentioned nukes - which would be hard to miss. Injecting massive amounts of lubricant like water into a fault - again, it would be hard to miss a large pumping station ( probably more than one ), and you’d never know when or if the fault would let go even if the method is workable. Or, it might be possible ( as in “I’d suspend disbelief if I read it in a sci fi novel” ) to us some sort of targeted vibrations through the ground to induce an earthquake. But as far as I know, we don’t even have a serious theory let alone a real technique for that; and it would be very obvious to every country with a seismograph that something weird was going on. And at any rate, none of that would involve high frequency radio waves like HAARP is working on anyway. You’d need evil geologists, not evil atmospheric & radio scientists. Those guys are in charge of the hurricane generators. > [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](#): > > I’m primarily interested in hearing people’s opinion on using an “earthquake attack” as a means of reaching Iran’s hardened underground sites, seeing as how the use of tactical nuclear weapons would almost certainly be an option that’s off the table in most people’s minds. It would be barbaric; if anything, worse than using a nuke because it would be even less selective. And highly unreliable; more likely to destroy civilian buildings than no doubt heavily reinforced bunkers. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/25 "2010-01-21T18:25:42Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548817](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=548817) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/26 "2010-01-21T18:28:17Z")
You guys…come on, this is serious. :mad: We all know that the HAARP machine didn’t work as planned for Katrina, and those of us in the know also were aware that the Government was looking for a new place to test it on. When a certain government employee, who’s name will be withheld to protect their anonymity recent went to Haiti and was cheated by a street vendor when buying supposed Cuban Cigars we all KNEW that the government had found it’s target. > [@](#): > > Conspiracy theorist websites have speculated that the Obama administration ordered a HAARP attack on Haiti, in order to test the technology’s capability as a non-nuclear option to attack hardened underground targets. _sigh_ Ridiculous. It was actually not Obama or the administration that ordered the test…it was a secret cabal of former Republicans and Jews that were responsible. They were acting without the authorization or even knowledge of Obama, who was told that HAARP was to be used to provide mana from heaven to the starving masses. > [@](#): > > These theorists claim that a “bonus” for the Obama Administration and Democrats, is the massive influx of Haitian immigrants (and amnesty for those already illegally here), who will be welfare-dependent wards of the state and who will swell the ranks of the Democratic party. Again, ridiculous. The ‘bonus’ was that the Jews got to sacrifice the blood of non-believers, the Christian Right got to strike a blow against Natas and all his works, and the Republicans who were central to the execution of the plan got a lot of footage of death and destruction for their Saturday evening popcorn party. > [@](#): > > Do you believe earthquakes can be initiated by a man-caused event? Certainly. It’s self evident since we saw the effects on Haiti. > [@](#): > > Do you believe the US has the technological capability (HAARP or otherwise) to initiate earthquakes, and do you believe, should the capability exist, that the US would test it on Haiti, and / or use it on Iran? Sure, we have the technology. Those of us in the know, however, speculate that either France or Belgium are the next targets. Won’t those damn Euros be surprised!! _muahahahahhahahahaha!_ > [@](#): > > Do you believe that the “bonus” of a massive influx of Haitian immigrants into the US would be a secondary objective of the operation? Yes, but not in the way you think. The REAL ‘bonus’ for the influx of Haitian immigrants are as house servants to Republican elite and their Jewish partners. -XT ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/27 "2010-01-21T18:29:07Z")
> [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](#): > > Kimstu, we’ve “debated” 9/11 as a false-flag operation here ad nauseam, so I don’t think this is too far out of the realm of debatable topics. “_ **We’ve** _ been debating?” C’mon, man, I’m always wishing people would give you the benefit of the doubt on your claim to being a long-time lurker, but do you have to go undermining the plausibility of it? ETA: Please stop being such a Binky Boo. ---
**Author:** ![YoureBeingABinkyBoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e0b2c6/32.png) [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YoureBeingABinkyBoo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/28 "2010-01-21T18:33:22Z")
> [@i\_am\_a\_scientist](#): > > Obama conspired with with the past 35 administrations, and Jesus, to focus a top secret Poverty Ray onto Haiti By “poverty ray” do you mean the targeted broadcasting of Jerry Springer and Judge Judy episodes? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/29 "2010-01-21T18:33:59Z")
I’ve: 1. Merged **lalenin** ’s thread with the one started by **YoureBeingABinkyBoo**. 2. Moved the completed thread to MPSIMS from Great Debates. 3. Revised the title for clarity (added the part in brackets). If anyone wants to have a serious debate on alternative weapons like an earthquake machine or anything else, I’d suggest starting a separate thread in Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/30 "2010-01-21T18:36:07Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > _sigh_ Ridiculous. It was actually not Obama or the administration that ordered the test…it was a secret cabal of former Republicans and Jews that were responsible. They were acting without the authorization or even knowledge of Obama, who was told that HAARP was to be used to provide mana from heaven to the starving masses. 😕 What good would mana from heaven be to starving masses? Everyone knows that food is the first of the five principal exceptions to Gamp’s Law of Elemental Transfiguration…\* :rolleyes: \*[cite](President from signing a bill into law. The Dems “core value” is not the inverse corollary) ---
**Author:** ![YoureBeingABinkyBoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e0b2c6/32.png) [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YoureBeingABinkyBoo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/31 "2010-01-21T18:39:01Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > “_ **We’ve** _ been debating?” C’mon, man, I’m always wishing people would give you the benefit of the doubt on your claim to being a long-time lurker, but do you have to go undermining the plausibility of it? > > ETA: Please stop being such a Binky Boo. We, as in the SDMB. I love the fact that I’ve introduced Binky Boo to your vocabulary. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Humble\_Servant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/47e85d/32.png) [@Humble\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Humble_Servant)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/32 "2010-01-21T18:47:45Z")
[http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/science/earth/16alta.html?scp=1&sq=drilling%20geothermal%20seismic&st=cse](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/16/science/earth/16alta.html?scp=1&sq=drilling%20geothermal%20seismic&st=cse) [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/science/earth/11quake.html?\_r=1&scp=3&sq=drilling%20geothermal%20seismic&st=cse](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/science/earth/11quake.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=drilling%20geothermal%20seismic&st=cse) Geothermal drilling projects can cause earthquakes–above links to NYTimes articles on same. ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/33 "2010-01-21T18:49:32Z")
I feel so naive. My sister did have a friend whose brother said that there was a Hispanic guy at the gym who said there was going to be a big shake up somewhere and that she shouldn’t travel anywhere south of Florida. Apparently , he offered up this information just because he got good work out tips from my sister’s friend’s brother. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/34 "2010-01-21T18:51:08Z")
Was Christopher Walken spotted in a blimp anywhere nearby? ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/35 "2010-01-21T19:01:21Z")
> [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](#): > > Do you believe earthquakes can be initiated by a man-caused event? Well, technically yes, seeing as [Tsar Bomba](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_bomba) produced energy equivalent to a 7.1 earthquake (in other words, slightly more powerful than the Haiti quake). Getting a Tsar Bomba-type device to a spot 10 miles under the suburbs of Port-au-Prince, however, seems to me a tricky task. ---
**Author:** ![YoureBeingABinkyBoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e0b2c6/32.png) [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YoureBeingABinkyBoo)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/36 "2010-01-21T19:07:05Z")
> [@Philster](#): > > I feel so naive. > > My sister did have a friend whose brother said that there was a Hispanic guy at the gym who said there was going to be a big shake up somewhere and that she shouldn’t travel anywhere south of Florida. Apparently , he offered up this information just because he got good work out tips from my sister’s friend’s brother. I know that dude! ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/37 "2010-01-21T19:57:33Z")
> [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](#): > > I never approach these types of issues from the viewpoint that anything is beneath us. Entire societies have committed acts that are far, far worse (Holocaust). And if this technology existed, you can be assured that there is someone, somewhere, who would use it. Granted, probably not a US President, but then I think about Operation [Northwoods](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods) and how, although it was never green-lighted, it did make it to the President’s desk, and that fact alone is pretty scary. I don’t see how you can compare a bone-headed plan to fake attacks on the US as if they were by Cuba (with no deaths), with the Holocaust or intentionally causing an earthquake that kills over 100,000 people. That’s just nuts. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/38 "2010-01-21T20:44:10Z")
> [@YoureBeingABinkyBoo](#): > > We, as in the SDMB. It might not be a bad idea, when you are referencing board discussions in which you did not take part, to explicitly say " **The Board** debated [_topic under discussion_]. . . " Clarity can be helpful. Especially when so many people are already hinting at incredulity with your assertion that you were a long-time lurker. As for me, I’m happy to take you at your word. But someone who’s lurked long enough to consider himself “not a new Doper” will certainly recognize that perceptions matter, no? ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/39 "2010-01-21T21:09:43Z")
In what way is this worse than Pat Robertson’s explanation? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860/40 "2010-01-21T21:42:12Z")
It isn’t. But that’s damning with very, very faint praise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-hugo-chavez-is-still-crazy-says-us-machine-caused-haiti-quake/525860.md?page=3)