# This just in: most Bush supporters too stupid to breathe, much less vote **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 22, 2004, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590 "2004-10-22T13:22:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/81 "2004-10-22T21:06:07Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > I know it was said many times before, but apparently it bears repeating: the uproar about Iraq invasion is NOT about sex, but about deceiving the Public. It _was_ about sex for those fuckers at Abu Graib. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/82 "2004-10-22T22:20:55Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > On a related note, how many Democrats continue to believe that Clinton didn’t break the law when he lied under oath? So he fucking lied under oath. If Bush lied about some Enron crap, I probably could care less. I do have a problem with starting a totally bullshit war that is breeding the very terrorists it’s supposed to eliminating. _Only_ Bush has done that. btw lets stop talking about Clinton. Fuck him, who cares, he’s the past. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/83 "2004-10-22T22:25:56Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > btw lets stop talking about Clinton. Fuck him, who cares, he’s the past. It’s the worst case of inertia I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/84 "2004-10-22T22:32:01Z")
Since Republican voters seem to get stupider with every iteration, one can be heartened by the notion put forth by the thread title. Eventually, they will be. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/85 "2004-10-22T23:06:48Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > … but this wolf business has got me more than a little worried. What’s the Straight Dope on Kerry’s plan to open America’s borders to ravening carnivores? Simply a matter of taking active, pre-emptive action. Clearly, in a wolf-rich environment, personal firepower and ordnance take on new meaning and importance. Naturally, pack animals seek out the weak and the slow, Darwinism favors the SUV driver, especially the one packing heat. The bones of the tofu-eating bicyclist will bleach in the sun, dotted with wolf scat. Americans might revamp a popular Russian custom, carrying an elderly family member along for long family drives as a precautionary measure. ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/86 "2004-10-23T00:00:01Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > So you think that murdering someone is not wrong and the mass murderers are not wrong, that invading and occupying sovereign nations is not wrong. > Nice to know, but what puzzles me is why you nevertheless think you have reason to find Hussein “wrong”. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. I think my anti-war credentials are rock-solid – as anyone who’s read my posts on Iraq, Afghanistan, and the bombing of Hiroshima knows. I was, and still am, against the war in Iraq. I was in the protest here in Montreal – 20,00 people in far-below-zero weather – that helped convince my government not to get involved. If another protest were held today, I’d be in that, too. But I’m not going to pretend Saddam’s not a monster, simply because I can’t agree with the war. My objection to this massacre dressed up an action movie was the brutality inflicted on civilians (and the violence released after the war), not the capture of the dictator. I’d like to see Saddam turned over to an impartial court on charges of crimes against humanity. That’s not likely to happen, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/87 "2004-10-23T01:08:09Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > It’s the difference between a sad accident, manslaughter, and murder. If Bush had “good” information that a reasonable person would interpret as proving Saddam had WMD programs, then Iraq is a sad accident. If Bush (or his team) recklessly overinterpreted lousy information, then you’re talking manslaughter (or something along those lines). If Bush knew for a fact that Saddam had no WMD and sent tens of thousands of people to their deaths in a war over nothing, then he’s the equivalent of a mass murderer, and should spend the rest of his life in prison. > > That is the difference between being “wrong” and being a “liar”. In addition to the question of whether or not Hussein had which banned weapons, the question of what was the appropriate response to the supposed posession of said weapons. The case that the invasion was a necessary op[tion that couldn’t wait was purely a Team Bush iteration. Team Bush deserves full blame on that one. As well as the deliberately deceptive use of the term pre-emptive war to describe preventive war. There’re numerous incidences that demonstrate the practice to deceive on th epart of Team Bush et al. An issue that is the heart of the invasion’s self-defense motif that to this day receives play is the assessment of the **_likelihood_ of Hussein initiating an attack** (directly or by proxy) with these banned weapons. That Hussein had some banned weapons did not in itself justify the “quickly before it’s too late” aspect assigned to the invasion. The best estimates were that the threat of ‘[national obliteration](http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20000101faessay5-p50/condoleezza-rice/campaign-2000-promoting-the-national-interest.html)’ among other things was sufficient to keep the probability of Hussein launching such an attack low for the foreseeable future. This is all covered in this from DCI Tenet: \*\*[DCI Tenet Declassifies Further Information on the Iraq Threat\*\*](http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/10/dci100702.html) - October 7, 2002\* Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW against the United States. \*\* Senator Levin\*\*: . . . If (Saddam) didn’t feel threatened, did not feel threatened, is it likely that he would initiate an attack using a weapon of mass destruction? **Senior Intelligence Witness** : . . . My judgment would be that the probability of him initiating an attack–let me put a time frame on it–in the foreseeable future, given the conditions we understand now, the likelihood I think would be low. **Senator Levin** : Now if he did initiate an attack you’ve . . . indicated he would probably attempt clandestine attacks against us . . . “One thing is clear: the United States must approach regimes like North Korea resolutely and decisively. The Clinton administration has failed here, sometimes threatening to use force and then backing down, as it often has with **Iraq**. These regimes are living on borrowed time, so **there need be no sense of panic about them**. Rather, the first line of defense should be a clear and classical statement of deterrence --\*\* if they do acquire WMD, their weapons will be unusable because any attempt to use them will bring national obliteration.\*\*” –[Dr. Condoleeza Rice](http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20000101faessay5-p50/condoleezza-rice/campaign-2000-promoting-the-national-interest.html) ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/88 "2004-10-23T01:16:24Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > You sound like a high spirited, lofty well informed young man. Is it true that if I vote for John Kerry I will be **eaten by _wolves_**? I had planned on voting for the democrat, but this wolf business has got me more than a little worried. What’s the Straight Dope on Kerry’s plan to open America’s borders to ravening carnivores? As a running dog lackey, I myself am unconcerned about the arrival of my other cousins. You sheep, on the other hand, should be a little bit nervous. However, if you stick with me, no one gets hurt. I’ll protect the flock as a whole. This, of course, will call for sacrifices from individual flock members, but the flock as a whole will carry on. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/89 "2004-10-23T01:24:49Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > So his mistake was to fail to take into account the incredible stupidity of the American public? Hey, if I have to take the stupidity of certain coworkers in consideration for picking material to train them, oughtn’t someone planning to lead the whole damn country be taking the lowest common denominator into account too? There’s a lot more at stake with people not understanding the would-be president’s ideology than not understanding me, after all… ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/90 "2004-10-23T01:27:32Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > Hey, if I have to take the stupidity of certain coworkers in consideration for picking material to train them, oughtn’t someone planning to lead the whole damn country be taking the lowest common denominator into account too? There’s a lot more at stake with people not understanding the would-be president’s ideology than not understanding me, after all… Wacky idea, but I’d like a guy that wouldn’t take _advantage_ of the LCD for evil. God forbid someone even wanted to try and raise their quality of life or something. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/91 "2004-10-23T03:08:40Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > No, it was about sex. Have to feed the religious right, y’know. Iraq invasion? > [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Neurotik, you may want to reread the post you were responding to–either you just got royally whooshed, or we just saw a lovely Freudian slip on Iskander’s part Yes, it’s lovely, but it is not a slip. > [@World Eater](#): > > btw lets stop talking about Clinton. Fuck him, who cares, he’s the past OP started it. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/92 "2004-10-23T03:49:57Z")
> [@Opus1](#): > > The brief report is truly fascinating reading, riddled with phrases like “cognitive dissidence”. The fate of all cliches is to dissolve into like-sounding expressions that are indistinguishable from the ones they replace and carry as little meaning. Watch out for “constructivist decadence”, “recidivistic consonance”, “dualistic constructivism”, “dialogical conceptualism”, “dialectic pseudo-consonance”, and any and all combinations of the above. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/93 "2004-10-23T06:48:31Z")
Let’s not forget who’s primarily responsible for this ignorance: the “liberal” (snort) media. Everyone knows who Scott Peterson is. How many know who [Scott](http://www.truthout.com/docs_02/07.25A.wrp.iraq.htm) [Ritter](http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0912-02.htm) is? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590/94 "2004-10-23T08:21:31Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Comments such as this are very damaging to your credibility. Oh, just pretend Jon Stewart said it. And pretend he said it about some conservative. That way, you can laugh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-just-in-most-bush-supporters-too-stupid-to-breathe-much-less-vote/270590.md?page=4)