Correct - the very essence of Democracy it seems, is telling whatever lies it takes to get elected and if you don’t you’re a fool. At least in the eyes of some people in need of a way-back-machine ticket so they can live in societies more amenable to that viewpoint.
Read that again while imagining the deer-in-headlights look, and kindergarteners reading him My Pet Goat.
Really. No ties to Al Qaeda. Even the Bush administration now grudgingly admits that. And yet, a huge chunk of the US population goes merrily on its way thinking that there was a connection.
Unfortunately, that article is full of misinformation.
Further investigations of the site found no traces of chemical weapons. All of the evidence points to the fact that it was a pharmaceutical plant that primarily put out anti-malarial drugs. Thousands of Sudanese are estimated to have died in the following months due to lack of the medicines produced at the plant.
It was as unjustified as this invasion of Iraq. The evidence was shaky and any objections to it were quashed by the higher-ups in the Clinton Administration.
If Bush supporters aren’t breathing, shouldn’t we be seeing their bodies draped pretty much all over the place by now? Kind of like the rapture, only messier?
As unto a voice, howling in the wilderness…
Cognitive Dissonance! CD is the number one threat to the Republic! When your CD volunteer comes calling, think of the millions of GeeDubya supporters, any of whom could be friends, relations and co-workers, and give! and give generously!
Wieding Occam’s Razor we can only conclude that Bush supporters don’t breath. They probably just suck the life force out of the rest of us or something.
Chicago, Illinois:
A study published today showed us what we knew all along- most Bush supporters are as stupid as pig dribble. A spokesman for the White House called the study a glowing tribute to the effectiveness of the “No Child Left Behind” Act, and quickly ran out of the room.
Well, not friends probably, but the point is well-taken. The cheque is in the post.
I’ve had enough of this blatant porcinism. Pigs are intelligent, affectionate creatures that double up as a great sandwich filler. In my experience Republicans are neither intelligent or overly burdened with any consideration of the well-being of others unless they have something they want. One out of three just isn’t good enough.
Jackals,hyena’s maybe?
Wait a minute – are you saying that republicans make great sandwich filler? Eewww!
There are plenty of very intelligent Repbulican voters, significant numbers of which will make more money under Bush with his current policies.
How many voters depend upon military spending for their livelehoods, and the main shareholders of Halliburton etc.
Who wants education to actually enhance the critical reasoning processes of the masses, and who wants the masses to have the education and knowledge that would allow them access to more influence ?
Nah, some Republicans are extremely rational indeed.
Could we maybe stop the demonization of the Pubbies? If Kerry wins, I plan on extending the hand of friendship to the GOP and asking them to help him win the war on the terrorists. If Bush wins, I’ll still extend the hand of friendship and suggest a Performance Improvement Plan for Dubya to do a better job in his second term than in his first.
If we continue to attack each other instead of tackling the crises at home and abroad, if we cannot find a way to live with each other amicably, if we allow our fear to destroy our democratic system, then I suggest we just hand the keys to the country over to Bin Laden right now, because he will have won.
While I very rarely agree with you, I wholly agree with your point here (and I say that as someone studying for a PhD). There need be no mystique surrounding a pronouncement simply because it’s in PDF and is written by people with letters after their name. It’s not a “study”, it is a poll. That’s all. It’s just been written up by some guys who work at a university. It really pisses me off when things like this are conflated with peer-reviewed, refereed research.
I’m skimming the report, and if their conclusions are accurate, they really are troubling. A majority of Bush supporters have the impression that “experts mostly agree that just before the war Iraq had WMD.” 18% think experts are about evenly divided on this subject. This poll was taken just after the release of the Duelfer report.
75% Bush supporters also believe either that Iraq was “directly involved in 9/11” or “gave al-Qaeda substantial support.”
That’s bad enough, but here’s where it gets pretty squirrelly. When asked “If, before the war, US intelligence services had concluded that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction and was not providing substantial support to al Qaeda do you think the US…?” 58% of Bush supporters chose “Should not have gone to war.”
So what we’re seeing is that a majority of Bush’s own backers would believe that going to war was a mistake, except that they’re operating on demonstrably false information.
I don’t see how anyone can not be disturbed by this.
Daniel
Are you the guy who started the “No WMDs? Can these people read?” thread? If not, you might find a soulmate in him. He didn’t understand the distinction between past and present either, nor the value of context.
Who made the point that only Bush was wrong about the ties between Iran and Al-Qaeda? No-one, you say? Then you’re looking pretty stupid right now, aren’t you?
Tu quoque, huh? That’s the best you can do? I don’t recall anyone claiming that Bill Clinton spoke for all liberals - politically, he doesn’t really speak for any of us.
Besides, so what? Clinton didn’t fucking invade Iraq over it!
True, but once you (not necessarily YOU, but a general you for Bush haters) decide to proclaim a person (Bush) a dirty fucking liar over statement X, you don’t get to call other people (Clinton) “wrong” when they say statement X. Statement X being both about links to Al Qaeda and WMD programs, which both presidents said at various times.
The implication is that Bush knew there were no WMD or links when he said it, but Clinton was just ignorant, and that’s just partisan crap, unless you can prove it.
Bush was either ignorant or a fucking liar.
Clinton was either ignorant or a fucking liar.
So. Happy?
Oh, so that bruise on your chin is from your knee.
If you were to look at the actual question you’d see that it was a little more specific about the time period than ‘ever.’
“Q13. Is it your belief that, just before the war, Iraq. Had actual weapons of mass destruction”
And he was wrong. He bombed an aspirin factory. It was one of the Clinton fuck-ups. That Clinton fuck’d up in no way changes the facts available to us now.
Care to try again?
Actually, it was a monumental fuck up. There was no nerve gas. There was oen test that showed the presence of what could’ve been a precursor to a nerve agent or common pesticide sprayed on the lawn. there were no other tests that showed the EMPTA inside the plant.
If you’re of a mind to read it I can link to one of the several threads where I’ve debunked this “Clinton victory” in the GWoT.
The author of the article you cite is either a very dishonest person or a very poorly informed person. You should not trust them at all.