# This kid must be high **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 7, 2006, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345 "2006-03-07T04:20:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/201 "2011-03-23T23:00:47Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > How did you happen upon the thread in question? Assuming you’re telling the truth, I find it fascinating that you found the thread and popped in to offer your experience. So, thanks! People google their own name from time to time. Like, if you [google my name](http://www.google.com/search?q=%22darryl+shannon%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a), I find that I’m a professional hockey player. Except that’s a different guy who shares my name. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/202 "2011-03-23T23:55:35Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > People google their own name from time to time. Like, if you [google my name](http://www.google.com/search?q=%22darryl+shannon%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a), I find that I’m a professional hockey player. Except that’s a different guy who shares my name. Well, there goes all _my_ respect for you. (You probably don’t even have a brother named Darryl.) ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/203 "2011-03-24T00:15:23Z")
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**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/204 "2011-03-24T03:13:23Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > He’s a minor living under his parents roof. They don’t want him using illegal drugs, he seems to imply that he’s going to anyway. He has total disrespect for their rules/standards in their own home. > > You find an honorable quality in that? Yes, I think honesty is an honorable quality. Our strict Judeo-Christian household somehow raised a pothead. Hard to believe, I know :rolleyes:. But I do admire my kid’s refusal to lie about it. ---
**Author:** ![bhamlaxy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d6d6ee/32.png) [@bhamlaxy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bhamlaxy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/205 "2011-03-24T05:07:19Z")
Kind of a funny story that led me to find this. I was at work when a coworker was lamenting the fact that when he googles his name, the 3rd result is a facebook group, complete with his picture, titled “\ closed his car door on his dick”. Apparently he was unloading his car with something and “humped” at the door to swing it shut. Something happened and the tip of his penis got pinched pretty hard. His friends thought it was so funny they made a facebook group. So I remembered the article and searched my name with the applicable terms. Then this came up and I was fascinated that such a long conversation had been started by it. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/206 "2011-03-24T05:24:30Z")
You would not believe the length of the discussions we’ve had on topics as mundane as appropriate drinks to order at a bar and footwear in houses. There is no nit so picky a doper will not die on that hill. (Me, I don’t particularly care if people smoke pot. I don’t see the benefits of a lot of the drug prohibition, yadda yadda yadda, yay we’re still on topic.) ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/207 "2011-03-24T13:18:03Z")
> [@bhamlaxy](#): > > “\ closed his car door on his dick”. Not for nothing, but redacting his name doesn’t really do much if you put the rest of the group name in there. It’s not like there are a ton of “So-n-so closed his car door on his dick” groups on facebook. 🙂 Oh yes: ow. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/208 "2011-03-24T22:44:42Z")
[/QUOTE] I’ve never heard of anyone beating his wife unconscious after too many joints. [/QUOTE] (From upthread: coding difficulties today) Kevin Artz [http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58004](http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58004) ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/209 "2011-03-24T23:20:47Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > I’ve never heard of anyone beating his wife unconscious after too many joints. [/QUOTE] (From upthread: coding difficulties today) Kevin Artz [http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58004](http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58004) [/QUOTE] Yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and put this out there: pot did NOT cause him to murder and eat his wife. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/210 "2011-03-24T23:24:15Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > I’ve never heard of anyone beating his wife unconscious after too many joints. > > > > (From upthread: coding difficulties today) > > Kevin Artz > > > > [http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58004](http://www.thc-ministry.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58004) > > Yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and put this out there: pot did NOT cause him to murder and eat his wife. Even if we assume the premise, you should not be able to forge a diminished capacity defense for yourself based on something you deliberately did to yourself. If anything, a finding that you committed the offense due to deliberately putting yourself in an altered state ought to vastly increase the punishment handed down. ---
**Author:** ![bhamlaxy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d6d6ee/32.png) [@bhamlaxy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bhamlaxy)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/211 "2011-03-25T00:42:04Z")
And EVEN IF pot was the pure cause of this, how many people have been beaten, raped or murdered by someone under the influence of alcohol? Those crimes happen on a daily basis by those who drink. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/212 "2011-03-25T02:04:02Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Even if we assume the premise, you should not be able to forge a diminished capacity defense for yourself based on something you deliberately did to yourself. If anything, a finding that you committed the offense due to deliberately putting yourself in an altered state ought to vastly increase the punishment handed down. He’s serving life without parole. The jury was not impressed by the marijuana psycosis argument either, although it was not disputed that the guy was a daily pot smoker. As for alcohol, with respect to the OP, a 17-year-old who bragged to the papers that he drank every day and against his parents’ wishes would be just as stupid and self-deluding as this kid. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/213 "2011-03-25T02:08:38Z")
> [@bhamlaxy](#): > > And EVEN IF pot was the pure cause of this, how many people have been beaten, raped or murdered by someone under the influence of alcohol? Those crimes happen on a daily basis by those who drink. An awful lot of date rapes happen while the victim is under the influence of alcohol or pot or both. Those are your two most common date-rape drugs. Pot increases your chances of being in a fatal car crash by 2 - 6x. In absolute numbers there are no doubt more crimes committed where alcohol is involved than marijuana, because there are probably a lot more people who drink regularly than who smoke pot regularly. But that doesn’t mean pot is harmless. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/214 "2011-03-25T02:33:49Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > I’d love to know the 3 Universities he’s been accepted to, and if he actually attends any of them this fall. Or whether he lasts more than one, possibly two, semesters if he does. > [@Bugs Bunny](#): > > What a maroon! ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/215 "2011-03-25T05:21:16Z")
Umm, what? did you stop reading the thread three posts in? He graduated. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/216 "2011-03-25T05:37:53Z")
> [@bhamlaxy](#): > > Kind of a funny story that led me to find this…Then this came up and I was fascinated that such a long conversation had been started by it. So you googled yourself only to find that five years ago a bunch of total strangers were avoiding their work responsibilities by conjecturing on-line to all ends about the possibilities connected to the (to them) unknown circumstances tied to some minor event in your life that is long past, in the process coming to solidly reasoned conclusions regarding drug legalization, small-town law enforcement, filial duty, the social costs of addiction, the merits or non-merits of THC, and whether you were fool when you were 17. Hm. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/217 "2011-03-25T08:13:24Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > So you googled yourself only to find that five years ago a bunch of total strangers were avoiding their work responsibilities by conjecturing on-line to all ends about the possibilities connected to the (to them) unknown circumstances tied to some minor event in your life that is long past, in the process coming to solidly reasoned conclusions regarding drug legalization, small-town law enforcement, filial duty, the social costs of addiction, the merits or non-merits of THC, and whether you were fool when you were 17. Hm. The Internet’s a Hell of a drug. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/218 "2011-03-25T12:52:02Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > An awful lot of date rapes happen while the victim is under the influence of alcohol or pot or both. Those are your two most common date-rape drugs. **Pot increases your chances of being in a fatal car crash by 2 - 6x.** In absolute numbers there are no doubt more crimes committed where alcohol is involved than marijuana, because there are probably a lot more people who drink regularly than who smoke pot regularly. But that doesn’t mean pot is harmless. “Paging Dr. Dio! Paging Dr. Dio! Please pick up the white Courtesy Phone.” ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/219 "2011-03-25T13:37:18Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > Pot increases your chances of being in a fatal car crash by 2 - 6x. Where does this number come from, please? ---
**Author:** ![bhamlaxy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d6d6ee/32.png) [@bhamlaxy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bhamlaxy)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345/220 "2011-03-25T15:40:13Z")
> [@](#): > > An awful lot of date rapes happen while the victim is under the influence of alcohol or pot or both. Those are your two most common date-rape drugs. Pot increases your chances of being in a fatal car crash by 2 - 6x. In absolute numbers there are no doubt more crimes committed where alcohol is involved than marijuana, because there are probably a lot more people who drink regularly than who smoke pot regularly. But that doesn’t mean pot is harmless. I disagree with many points. I don’t think pot is a date rape drug or is one of the “two most common”. I’d be thinking roofies, GHB, or alcohol come way before that. Now with issues like this it’s tough because I don’t think there are that many studies. I’m not sure where you got that “2-6x more likely to have a fatal car crash”, but here are some specific studies. > **[Marijuana: Study Finds Minimal Changes in Driving Performance After Smoking |...](https://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/jun/04/marijuana_study_finds_minimal_ch)** > > The drug czar is warning about dangerous potheads on the nation's highways, but some new clinical findings suggest there's less here than meets the eye. > [@](#): > > According to clinical trial data published in the March issue of the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, subjects tested both before and after smoking marijuana exhibited virtually identical driving skills in a battery of driving simulator tests. Researchers in the double-blind, placebo-controlled trial tested 85 subjects – 50 men and 35 women – on simulated driving performance. The subjects had to respond to simulations of various events associated with vehicle crash risk, such as deciding whether to stop or go through a changing traffic light, avoiding a driver entering an intersection illegally, and responding to the presence of emergency vehicles. Subjects were tested sober and again a half hour after having smoked a single medium-potency (2.9% THC) joint or a placebo. > The investigators found that the subjects’ performance before and after getting stoned was virtually identical. “No differences were found during the baseline driving segment (and the) collision avoidance scenarios,” the authors reported. Nor were there any differences between the way men and women responded. > **[University Of Toronto Study Shows Marijuana Not A Factor In Driving Accidents](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/03/990325110700.htm)** > > The safety hazards of smoking marijuana and driving are overrated, says University of Toronto researcher Alison Smiley, whose study of impairment and traffic accident reports from several countries shows that marijuana taken alone in moderate amounts... > [@](#): > > Recent research into impairment and traffic accident reports from several countries shows that marijuana taken alone in moderate amounts does not significantly increase a driver’s risk of causing an accident – unlike alcohol, says Smiley, an adjunct professor in the department of mechanical and industrial engineering. While smoking marijuana does impair driving ability, it does not share alcohol’s effect on judgment. Drivers on marijuana remain aware of their impairment, prompting them to slow down and drive more cautiously to compensate, she says I’d say the most important fact is summarized in this study > **[Marijuana and Actual Driving Performance - Conclusions](https://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/dot78_1g.htm)** > > Full text of a report by the US D.O.T. showing the effects of marijuana use on drivers. > [@](#): > > - Drivers under the influence of marijuana tend to over-estimate the adverse effects of the drug on their driving quality and compensate when they can; e.g. by increasing effort to accomplish the task, increasing headway or slowing down, or a combination of these. > > - Drivers under the influence of alcohol tend to under-estimate the adverse effects of the drug on their driving quality and do not invest compensatory effort. I think many people have experienced this. While driving under the influence of marijuana, the user is acutely aware that they are intoxicated and work to focus much more than usual. You say to yourself “whoa, I’m a little high, I really need to concentrate”. The thing with alcohol is that it often has an opposite effect. You may have experienced or witnessed the increased confidence a drunk person has, whether it involves dancing or talking to a member of the opposite sex. This applies to driving as well, where you underestimate the problems you are having and fail to compensate. And in the end, this is all besides the point. Most, if not all of marijuana legalization proponents would argue that driving under the influence of marijuana is unacceptable, as those who believe alcohol should be legal are against drinking and driving. As far as crimes go, I would bet that in addition to having a higher instance of crimes while under the influence of alcohol, there is a higher percentage as well. Just think of someone who is high compared to someone who is drunk. A stoner would tend to stay at home, giggle at some stupid TV show and kill a bag of cheetos. A drunk is probably at the bar with friends getting stupid and causing problems. Drunks get in fights, hippies don’t. > [@](#): > > Or whether he lasts more than one, possibly two, semesters if he does. Already went over this. I didn’t complete one semester. Or two. I completed 8 and graduated on the deans list in 4 years at an exceptional university. My career is on an excellent path as well. > [@](#): > > So you googled yourself only to find that five years ago a bunch of total strangers were avoiding their work responsibilities by conjecturing on-line to all ends about the possibilities connected to the (to them) unknown circumstances tied to some minor event in your life that is long past, in the process coming to solidly reasoned conclusions regarding drug legalization, small-town law enforcement, filial duty, the social costs of addiction, the merits or non-merits of THC, and whether you were fool when you were 17. Hm. Pretty much. Kind of interesting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-kid-must-be-high/347345.md?page=12)