# This may be the wrong-ist thing I've ever seen on crappy TV **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 2, 2024, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719 "2024-04-02T04:52:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/1 "2024-04-02T04:52:01Z")
Every night I tune into FETV to watch 2 episodes of _Barney Miller_. Every night. I watch because it’s required. (NM) I’m into the 3rd run of the Episodes they have in their line up. (Not nearly the whole series) The NYC skyline is the opening and closing during the theme song. Now, I’ve just noticed recently they have cut out the Twin Towers. They were there in the last go around. Now they’re gone. I have watched carefully. You can actually see where they clipped it out. The colors have changed too. Isn’t this like making the Mona Lisa frown? Or adding arms to Venus? Yeah. _Barney Miller_ is art. In my mind. I particularly liked seeing the NYC skyline with the Twin Towers. It wrong, I tell you. It’s our history. What about a picture of that mountain with the faces on Mt.Rushmore and they chopped out Teddy Roosevelt? The Sphinx with a nose job? A Travesty. That’s what it is. I’m calling someone. 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/2 "2024-04-02T05:01:06Z")
I’m ignorant, but is the TV series story set in the pre-2001 era? If so, yes, it would be weird for them to cut it out. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/3 "2024-04-02T05:05:02Z")
After 9/11, a lot of people found that seeing the Twin Towers was extremely upsetting. I was one. Some TV shows, including _Law and Order_, _Sex and The City_, and _The Sopranos_, opted to cut them out of the skyline. After all, there were no Twin Towers any longer. I found their absence upsetting, too. TV programs were trying to do the right thing in a situation where there was no real precedent. I cut them a lot of slack. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/4 "2024-04-02T05:07:56Z")
1970-80s I can see if the series was set for modern times. But the 70s? 23 years later after 9/11, we can’t see something so old as Barney Miller, with the original opening? We know it was there. They showed it before. We’re just supposed to forget? ETA…it’s very clumsily done, my 6 th grader could of done better. You can still see the bottom the buildings. Which might be more wrong, in a way ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/5 "2024-04-02T05:16:26Z")
Yeah, that’s some pretty strange historical revisionism. I’m guessing the TV producers were afraid some viewers would get triggered or offended, but it’s pretty silly. If anything, putting the Twin Towers there would add to the sense of nostalgia and comfort. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/6 "2024-04-02T05:19:25Z")
I loved _Barney Miller._ A friend whose dad was a cop said it was the most realistic depiction of life in a station house of any program he ever saw. I was happy when it went into syndication and we could watch reruns. After 9/11, a decision had to be made about whether or not to continue including the World Trade Center in the skyline shots. The decision was made to cut it out. I guess some people could say, “Gee, this show ran from 1975-1982, before the Twin Towers fell and killed thousands of people,” but I think the deciding factor wasn’t when the series originally ran, but when people were watching it in reruns. It’s a tough call. Should we cut out the towers to avoid upsetting people or leave them in so it doesn’t look like we’re erasing the past? I don’t know. As I said, I find both options painful. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/7 "2024-04-02T05:20:20Z")
I tried to contact them. The website says it can’t be reached. This is a crappy, less than premium network\*. I thought only me and 34 other persons were watching it. FETV\* ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/8 "2024-04-02T05:24:29Z")
33 And Me? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/9 "2024-04-02T05:26:23Z")
You don’t understand. They’ve been showing it for a year. Now all of a sudden it’s chopped out. Not very well. Just chopped out. I can understand moving film of the Towers being upsetting. Or film made near the time. But this was 25 years before in a still shot from a distance of the whole NYC skyline. What?? They just get the memo? ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/10 "2024-04-02T05:34:49Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’m ignorant, but is the TV series story set in the pre-2001 era? > > If so, yes, it would be weird for them to cut it out. _Barney Miller_ was made in the 1970s, and set in the then-present day. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/11 "2024-04-02T05:56:05Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > ETA…it’s very clumsily done, my 6 th grader could of done better. Oh dear, oh dear. My dear Beck, we love you, but “could of”? Really? The likes of “could of” and “would of” and such coming from you is disheartening. You know better, and we all know that you know better. Now go to your room and think about what you’ve done. (I’m sure Bayliss will come with you for comfort). “Could of”? My pedantic heart aches. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/12 "2024-04-02T06:22:38Z")
I’m so so so sorry. I’m usually more careful. I usually say “coulda”. My intuitive tablet corrected me to that. But I changed it thinking “coulda” was silly looking. Of course it corrected to ‘could of’, not ‘could have’. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/13 "2024-04-02T06:43:40Z")
Probably spelled ‘wrong-ist’ wrong, as well. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/14 "2024-04-02T07:08:23Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Probably spelled ‘wrong-ist’ wrong, as well.   Oh, heavens, no. We pedants love neologisms like that! It’s the other stuff that causes me to take an extra dose of perindopril erbumine! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/15 "2024-04-02T07:10:36Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It’s the other stuff that causes me to take an extra dose of perindopril erbumine! 😉 Forget that. Take two Bloody Caesars and call your doctor in the morning. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/16 "2024-04-02T09:50:02Z")
From my observation syndicated shows get butchered all of the time in order to make more time for senseless repeats of ads. Could be this is what’s going on, some junior editor decided he need to cut another half second out of the show in order to squeeze in one more Colonial Life commercial? ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/17 "2024-04-02T11:01:08Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I’m into the 3rd run of the Episodes they have in their line up. (Not nearly the whole series) > > The NYC skyline is the opening and closing during the theme song. Note that the WTC was not in the season one credits. ---
**Author:** ![dirtball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dirtball/32/18772_2.png) [@dirtball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dirtball)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/18 "2024-04-02T11:28:26Z")
Seems to me that if they were gonna change it, they could have gotten better results more easily by editing a different shot in. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/19 "2024-04-02T13:27:16Z")
But, I saw it. And you can tell they’re cut out. I’m not sure what season these episodes appeared in the original run of the show. It’s not at all the complete series. I’ll be watching to see if it comes back. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719/20 "2024-04-02T13:36:57Z")
They’re like Schrodinger’s Towers. They tell us to “never forget” 9/11, yet we’re apparently supposed to pretend that the towers never existed in the first place. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-may-be-the-wrong-ist-thing-ive-ever-seen-on-crappy-tv/999719.md?page=2)