# This Michael Flynn guy just can't stop committing treason **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770 "2017-02-13T19:21:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/141 "2017-02-16T01:31:50Z")
So will Flynn be called before congress to testify on the contents of his calls and contacts? Wagers on whether he would take the 5th? Are any of his actions against Federal laws? If so, what charges? If the actions are not strictly illegal, would you agree to [del] Agent Orange’s[/del] Trump’s call for resumption of “enhanced” interrogation to be applied to Flynn? Just asking questions. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/142 "2017-02-16T02:21:01Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > So will Flynn be called before congress to testify on the contents of his calls and contacts? > > Wagers on whether he would take the 5th? > > Are any of his actions against Federal laws? If so, what charges? > > If the actions are not strictly illegal, would you agree to [del] Agent Orange’s[/del] Trump’s call for resumption of “enhanced” interrogation to be applied to Flynn? > > Just asking questions. THIS Congress? Not likely. They don’t believe Republicans should waste time investigating Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/143 "2017-02-16T02:37:31Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > THIS Congress? Not likely. They don’t believe Republicans should waste time investigating Republicans. [And they don’t like it when their people get recorded but apparently the White House is quite comfortable with recording reporters](http://finance.yahoo.com/news/white-house-staffer-allegedly-recorded-053012945.html).\* _Link also posted in the “How has Trump pissed you off today” thread._ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/144 "2017-02-16T07:38:18Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Oh. So Republican hypocrisy does NOT rise to almost the same level as Democratic hypocrisy. > > Whew. You had us worried there. > [@Bricker](#): > > Who are you talking to? You quote my posts, but then respond to some point you have either created yourself or taken from another set of words. But clearly you don’t need my input; you’re furnishing both sides of this conversation yourself. **Bricker** accuses me of invention — apparently we’re not allowed to consider prior posts by a Doper; each post is its own special snowflake that must be reviewed in isolation. Charges of liberal hypocrisy are irrelevant unless they occur in that specific snowflake. I, OTOH, view a poster in light of his prior posts as well. From **Bricker** ’s other posts we know that [ul][li] **Bricker** is a staunch admirer of Karl Rove, the despicable criminal whose tricks include [spreading lies that his opponent is a pedophile](https://www.thenation.com/article/exactly-how-karl-rove-works/) and then, [in a clever reversal](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/11/karl-rove-in-a-corner/303537/)[/li] > [@](#): > > … Rove, dissatisfied with the campaign’s progress, had flyers printed up—absent any trace of who was behind them—viciously attacking See [Rove’s own candidate] and his family. “We were trying to craft a message to reach some of the blue-collar, lower-middle-class people,” the staffer says. “You’d roll it up, put a rubber band around it, and paperboy it at houses late at night. I was told, ‘Do not hand it to anybody, do not tell anybody who you’re with, and if you can, borrow a car that doesn’t have your tags.’ So I borrowed a buddy’s car [and drove] down the middle of the street … I had Hefty bags stuffed full of these rolled-up pamphlets, and I’d cruise the designated neighborhoods, throwing these things out with both hands and literally driving with my knees.” The ploy left Rove’s opponent at a loss. Ingram’s staff realized that it would be fruitless to try to persuade the public that the See campaign was attacking its own candidate in order “to create a backlash against the Democrat,” as Joe Perkins, who worked for Ingram, put it to me. Presumably the public would believe that Democrats were spreading terrible rumors about See and his family. “They just beat you down to your knees,” Ingram said of being on the receiving end of Rove’s attacks. See won the race. Admittedly, I’m not sure “hypocrisy” is the charge I’d make against Karl Rove — this “political strategist” **Bricker** admires so much — the phrase that comes to my mind is “despicable criminal.” (AFAIK Rove has never actually been convicted of a felony. Please do defend him on that basis, Counsellor!) [li] **Bricker** is on record _finding the perjury of Bill Clinton_ (was the semen stain the result of “sex”? Did we ever find out what the meaning of “is” _is_?)\* to be more serious that the perjuries by Cheney and his neocons that cost at least a million Iraqis lives, trillions of dollars of U.S. treasure and have turned much of the Middle East into a horrendous kill zone.\*[/li] Hypocrisy? Does anyone think Bricker would rank a _GOP_ dalliance as more serious than a calamity like the Stupid War against Gog and Magog if that War were started by a _Democrat_? (And watch **Bricker** now revert to the only thing he knows — legalisms — by asking whether a perjury indictment was ever issued against Cheney’s lies. I wonder if he’ll note that some of the trillions lost were “recovered” by the share price rise in the stocks of Halliburton and munition makers!) [li] **Bricker** is proud that he voted against Trump. Did you hear the story of what this cost him emotionally? He first spoiled a ballot with a Trump vote![/li] > [@I live in the US, but I don't vote. Never have, never will. Ask Me Anything if you want.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-live-in-the-us-but-i-dont-vote-never-have-never-will-ask-me-anything-if-you-want/771059/196): > > I … believe [Mrs. Clinton’s] presidency will be a horrible one [but] I had nonetheless resolved to support [her] … I started to mark the ballot. I couldn’t. … Finally I marked it for Trump. I couldn’t vote for Clinton… (He goes on to void that ballot and request a new one.) No, I don’t consider this “hypocrisy” by the Esquire. Instead it’s strong evidence of the bloated amygdala that leads his ilk to such unfortunate choices. @ **Bricker** — Have you sought medical help? [li] Has **Bricker** explained why a Clinton Presidency would be so horrible? Is it the murders in Banghazi? The sex ring in the pizza parlor? The sentences taken out of context?[/li][/ul] Instead we got Trump. I was hoping Trump might be better than a right-winger like Perry or Kasich or Pence or Carson. But in addition to Trump’s incompetence and arrogance, we get the full right-wing program too: Always putting the interests of corporations ahead of people; increasing gap between rich and poor; destruction of SocSec, Medicare, Obamacare; kowtowing to Wall Street so we can race toward the next financial crisis; removal of the protections on the environment, worker safety, food safety, etc.; renewed persecution of gays, blacks and Muslims — the full Conservative Agenda! _Hey **Bricker**! Trump is pursuing the perfect GOP ideals. All the GOP congressmen are delighted. Do you regret your vote for Hillary yet?_ ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/145 "2017-02-16T14:04:49Z")
If any non-crazy person wants to summarize the **septimus** post above and advise me if there’s anything worth addressing, I’d be in your debt. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/146 "2017-02-16T14:17:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If any non-crazy person wants to summarize the **septimus** post above and advise me if there’s anything worth addressing, I’d be in your debt. Here’s my shot: you displease him in many ways. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/147 "2017-02-16T14:25:58Z")
And you didn’t vote for Trump. Excellent. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/148 "2017-02-16T14:29:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If any non-crazy person wants to summarize the **septimus** post above and advise me if there’s anything worth addressing, I’d be in your debt. Now, now - we don’t think you’re _crazy_. Many things, but not crazy, yet. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/149 "2017-02-16T14:56:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If any non-crazy person You seem to be arbitrarily disqualifying quite a lot of posters here. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/150 "2017-02-16T14:58:19Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You seem to be arbitrarily disqualifying quite a lot of posters here. It’s a self-selecting criteria. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/151 "2017-02-16T16:03:59Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If any non-crazy person wants to summarize the **septimus** post above and advise me if there’s anything worth addressing, I’d be in your debt. You’re a poop-head who has demonstrated the very hypocrisy that you rail against, and you reduce every argument to a legalese tangle of crap. And you’re secretly in love with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/152 "2017-02-16T18:14:03Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And you’re secretly in love with Trump. Taking only a moment on this one… the fact is that as Election Day ended and it was clear what happened, I hoped I had been wrong in my vote, and a month into Trump’s presidency I’d be able to praise his work and castigate myself for voting D. I hoped this would be true for two reasons: one was that voting D-Clinton made me feel icky. But more substantively, I hoped it would be true because it’s my country, and I want it to succeed and prosper. Sadly, my hope has been thus far almost completely unrealized. So: a world of “no,” on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/153 "2017-02-16T18:16:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So: a world of “no,” on this one. Just to be clear; I was translating, not agreeing with the conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/154 "2017-02-16T18:45:03Z")
[Reading the writing on the wall](https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/831901353916104707): [QUOTE=Seth Abramson] I was a criminal attorney for many years. Ask any criminal attorney: the president is engaging in _all_ the behaviors a guilty person would. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/155 "2017-02-16T19:29:02Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Just to be clear; I was translating, not agreeing with the conclusion. Yup, I get that – but having read the translation, the “love Trump secretly” point was one that deserved an emphatic response. One could possibly have read my Election Day hand-wringing as my having some sympathy for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/156 "2017-02-17T15:55:56Z")
~Update~ Admiral Bob Harwood [Says No!!!](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/harward-says-no-to-national-security-adviser-role/index.html) “Sorry, Trumpy…! Harwood wants a President with Good Taste. Not a President who says he Tastes Good…” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/157 "2017-02-17T22:57:30Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Reading the writing on the wall](https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/831901353916104707): “It isn’t illegal if the president does it” Oh, and that tweet with “SCROTUS MAXIMUS” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/158 "2017-02-18T00:01:12Z")
For what it’s worth, I don’t believe Bricker is motivated by a love for Trump. Rather, he’s motivated by hatreds of various people and ideas that by happenstance were and are currently in opposition to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/159 "2017-02-18T02:28:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Taking only a moment on this one… the fact is that as Election Day ended and it was clear what happened, I hoped I had been wrong in my vote, and a month into Trump’s presidency I’d be able to praise his work and castigate myself for voting D. > > I hoped this would be true for two reasons: one was that voting D-Clinton made me feel icky. But more substantively, I hoped it would be true because it’s my country, and I want it to succeed and prosper. > > Sadly, my hope has been thus far almost completely unrealized. > > So: a world of “no,” on this one. Just curious… what was it that made you decide to vote against him? Was it a specific thing, or a gut feeling? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770/160 "2017-02-18T04:06:57Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Just curious… what was it that made you decide to vote against him? Was it a specific thing, or a gut feeling? It was the aggregate of lots of specific things. Repeated lies, repeated flouting of established political norms, left me absolutely uncertain what he truly believed, if anything, and what he’d use as criteria to appoint his government. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-michael-flynn-guy-just-cant-stop-committing-treason/779770.md?page=9)