I live in California also. I’ve seen pictures of Minutemen rallies that were far from diverse. Sorry, just being in the state is no guarantee of diversity. Was this rally covered by the news?
Get the fuck out of here. What inflation? The inflation the Federal Reserve has been creating since its creation. That inflation. The devaluation of the dollar by 96%.
FDR didn’t pursue policies that he thought would lengthen the Depression, but thats the effect that they had.
Some evidence:
This is almost common knowledge at this point.
FDR really knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor before it happened. Then he used it as an excuse to get involved in World War II. As sensationalistic as that sounds, it is absolutely true. Some evidence:
http://rationalrevolution.net/war/fdr_provoked_the_japanese_attack.htm
http://www.rense.com/general60/moreevidenceFDRknew.htm
Even many mainstream historians are admitting that FDR and members of his administration knew about the planned attack on Pearl Harbor and wanted to use the attack to get support for our involvement in the war.
Did you really look into this, or did you simply write it off without any thought?
No, I don’t hate Social Security. It is one of the least offensive things our government does. It IS offensive how they take your money to be put into a “trust fund” for your retirement then loot the trust fund and spend the money on other things. Yes, that pisses me off.
Sure, many are complete hypocrites. There is so many worse things going on than funding Medicare and Social Security, however. I’m sure there are things that they are angry about that are valid.
Um, ignore that part. Actually I didn’t know the link I posted contained that. Not saying its complete bullshit but its definitely a conspiracy theory. There are many mainstream publications that make this same assertion. It wouldn’t be too far of a stretch, would it? The precipitating event to involve us in World War I, the sinking of the Luscitania, was completely made up. The precipitating event to involve us in Vietnam, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was made up as well. But the notion that there was anything suspicious about the knowledge our government had about Pearl Harbor is completely outrageous, akin to believing in Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster? Get real. You can live in your fantasy world where the government doesn’t do things like this, but I’m living in the real world. Do some more research before you right it off.
I posted the wrong link by accident. Give me a break. The evidence suggests that FDR had knowledge of Pearl Harbor before it happened. Thats not exactly the same level of conspiracy theory as the Illuminati or the faked moon landings or anything. What makes you so sure it is not true? Judge Andrew Napolitano wrote about this in a book he wrote. Many mainstream historians believe this to be the case. Open your eyes.
Please, lets not get sidetracked on this issue. I don’t want this to be the main point of this thread.
No, it won’t be perfect. But our political class is good at stirring up animosity to divide people for their own benefit. It happens all the time. In removing hot button issues like gay marriage, religion, and others from the national debate it will improve relations between groups of people. Not completely, but it will help.
I am not claiming it will usher in a Utopia and all our problems will go away. I am looking for the best system of many faulty ones.
Yes, I am addressing each post individually, in order. Its taking a really fucking long time too. I want to be thorough. I will catch up soon though.
Your notions about inflation and their effects are completely wrong. You vastly underestimate the harm caused by inflation. I think I have posted this already, but for your sake, from Mises.org:
Some thoughts:
I think there is room for a third political party out there, but it would take a lot of work by some dedicated people, plus it would have to rely on defections of already known politicians who are sick of the system as is. The so called “tea party” is basically a schism of the Republican party. Problem is that the Tea party movement is leaderless.
I remember Sarah Palin addressing their convention in Nashville. Two mistakes there. For one, it took place in Nashville. When people think of Nashville, they think of country music and hicks. Southern idiots with gunracks, whiskey bottles flying out the back with the 15 year old pregnant wife cooking breakfast barefoot listening to Tammy Wynette between hits of Crystal Meth. However, she is a Rhodes Scholar next to Sarah Palin. Having Sarah Palin there really lacked credibility. Then she wrote her speech on her hand. Classic move. At least Alvin Greene brings his well worn and page torn out Mead spiral scholar tablet when he does a show. But that is not here nor there.
I believe that there is a “whacko” factor considering third party candidates. They are mainly seen as too radical or too weird to even contemplating voting for. A lot of times there are many eccentric and colorful people running as a third party candidate who perpetuate all third party candidates being nuts.
I love the meaning but do not like the word “libertarian”. Most people do not get the word. It sounds like ‘liberal’ or even ‘lesbian’, or something else than what it is. Some Libertarians are basically anarchist whack jobs who do not believe in any kind of government control whatsoever. No need for a driver’s license, car tags, my land is my land. I will pay for the services I use, etc. Some of these people support that the airspace over their property is theirs and think that all airlines violating it needs to pay a fee. (No shit, look it up.)
The “throwing away” your vote bit is a bit bullshit. I don’t like the Republicans and Democrats. What am I supposed to do? Stay home or vote for a third party candidate who I know is going to lose? Everyone on the left hates when Ralph Nader runs because basically they claim that he steals votes from the Dem. candidate. Well, for myself, I would much rather vote for Nader over bullshit artists like Gore, Kerry and Obama anyday. I am against Universal Health Care, but I know that Nader would call out the medical community, drug companies, insurance companies and profiteers of the medical racket instead of protecting them. I vote Libertarian. Libertarian candidates get about 400,000 votes versus the 69 million who voted for Obama.
I dislike Jesse Ventura because he was someone who could have done an excellent job in Minnesota as governor, served two terms and help foster a new political movement. But Jesse fucked it up. He got a big head and called himself “The Mind” and made ridiculous interviews and speeches, saying once that he wish he was some woman’s underwear or whatever. Then the clown , AS GOVERNOR, was a WWF announcer.:smack: Jesse didn’t want to go for another term, basically because he knew that he would lose and made some lame excuse about his family or something like that. Whatever. He made all third party people look bad.
(Jesse, if are out there and want to kick my ass, PM me and we’ll set it up.)
Ross Perot is an another good example. When he first announced he was going to run, he was first in the polls. Then the fame of him as a candidate wore thin, he went a bit nuts and decided to call it quits because someone was spying on his daughter’s wedding. The Perot people went WTF? and scattered. Perot after a month of doing nothing and his ugly daughter still married decided to run again. Unfortunately he did not have the momentum like before, although he won 18% of the vote.
Perot started the “Reform Party” and opened it up to whoever wants the nomination. A Colorado Governor named Richard Lamm decided to go for it, but he was quickly shut down by Perot. It was like one of those times when you see someone you don’t like but are being polite and tell them upon leaving, “Hey, let’s have lunch sometime.” thinking to be rid of the annoyance, to only see him at your door the next day with a picnic basket.
Perot would not run in 2000, which left the Reform Party in the hands of goofballs of all stripes, from Pat Buchanan, Angela Davis (yea, that big haired 70’s Commie black guerilla chick.), and some idiot from Iowa who ran a Maharashi school. The Reform Party was rudderless with people of all political stripes trying to hijack the thing (the old joke, a Neo-Conservative, a Hippie and a Black Female Commie walks into a bar…)
Concerning this “tea party” business. It is almost all white. Which is fine. The Mexicans have Al Reza and Atzlan, the blacks have all their groups and this badly named movement is made up of mostly white people. Since it is mostly all white people, the powers that be in the media have dubbed these people “teabaggers” and racists, KKK and all that other garbage.
Whites are tired of moving and living two hours away the city because the city is too violent to live in. Whites are tired of all these illegal hispanics and paying them benefits and welfare. Whites are being pushed aside and many of them are pushing back, which is racist. A black or hispanic group doing the same thing would be celebrated as “diversity” by the media. Even today, fluff issues like gay marriage, Lindsey Lohan and some English cunt throwing a cat in a garbage can gets more play than telling us the truth about foreclosures, lost jobs, who is getting rich off our misery and where the fuck our jobs went.
The Tea Party seem to be leaderless at this time, basically co-opting the Republican Party instead of trying to strike out on their own. The problem is that the Republicans and Democrats have the cards stacked against independent candidates, or even candidates which buck the “party line” (like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, men of the opposite side of the galaxy politically).
Obama should be some CEO of some business somewhere, coming home to his anonymous wife and their two bratty kids, spending the weekend in the Hamptons. He was going to do that, actually. Some twerp told him he should go into politics. Well, to that guy, once I am finished with Jesse, your next!
They have pretty well demonstrated that they are full of racists. And they themselves named themselves Teabaggers. Perhaps if they weren’t such a collection of fanatics, thugs, idiots and bigots other people might be less inclined to gloat over how they picked such an insulting name for themselves. As it is, tough.
Oh, the poor victimized white man. :rolleyes:
Oh, and as it happens I’m a white man. With Hispanic neighbors, who have yet to kill and eat me or whatever it is you think such people do.
No, you have tried it, but could not get enough support to effect the change you want. You are like the guy who hates the free market because he cannot afford a flat screen TV; you are not owed the change you seek simply because you want it it. You have failed to convince enough people your ideology is just. As the minority opinion, you are not entitled to the change you seek. That is how a republic works.
Have they been “kindly” supplying you with fattening foods? Those people are quite clever.
-Joe
So you stealing from the commons is a noble expression of liberty, but me eating your vegetables is violating your property rights. You really need to stop digging, you are not gaining any converts to your cause with your hypocritical application of an intellectually bankrupt ideology.
In other words, if you refuse to sell me your vegetables at the price I want, I am justified in taking them without paying. That is exactly what you are saying. The Constitution is only useful to libertarians until it gets in the way. Your ideology is dangerous, and I will oppose it through any means necessary.
And, as an aside, your hysterical use of the word ‘tyranny’ is an insult to all those in the world who have actually suffered under a tyrant. Your continued use of the word just weakens your position.
To quote another great economic thinker, “Because that’s where the money is.”
Out of curiosity, if a cow cost $5 in 1850, what should it cost now? What should the cost of a computer be, in cow-equivalents? Moo-lah, as it were?
jrodefeld, you will NOT continue to simply paste in the words of other authors as though you were making a point. Quote relevant (small) sections and then make your own point in your own words.
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Ok, I get that you believe that what people commonly know as inflation, i.e. a rise in prices, isn’t inflation. In your mind, inflation is an increase in the money supply.
So what? If prices do not increase, why should I give a crap whether the money supply is increasing? So what? How does that affect me? And by affect me, I mean, TODAY, not at some nebulous Mayan 2012 date in the future.
Please, for the love of the baby Jebus, can your reply not include the words “mises.org”? I’m asking you to tell me, in small words, why the increase in the money supply hurts me?
Please don’t try to lecture me in such a patronizing way about economics. I’ll put my qualifications up against yours any day of the week on that subject.
So how about, rather than weaseling, answering what I said.
Do you dispute that the Thatcher regime starting in 1979 was a move towards freer markets? If you do, then youhave absolutely no understanding of history or economics, but hey, I’ll at least throw the question out there…
If you agree it was, how do you explain given your ‘theories’ that she presided over increases in poverty and inequality, things which you theorized would be eliminated by free markets?