# This Place Is So Close To Being Great, But Instead Is Filled With Hate **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2001, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814 "2001-11-01T00:05:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/21 "2001-11-01T00:26:26Z")
> [@](#): > > How is it that such a group of smart, well educated people as the frequent readers of the straight dope can be so filled with intolerance? :shrug: I’m not sure which of my posts you find intolerant. Let me know which one, and I’ll be happy to discuss it with you. > [@](#): > > Why is it that you preach love and tolerance to every point of view but the Christian one? Why do you all roll your eyes and turn away at the thought of Christian virtue or prayer, but accept the concept of Pagan Spellcraft and morals? I preach nothing. I do not roll my eyes at Christianity. I do not accept the idea of spellcraft–and no more than a bare handful of regular posters here do. > [@](#): > > Why do you smart people live your lives with such lax morals and openly embrace Pagan rituals like Halloween? You do not know me, child. Do not presume to guess my morals. I do not openly embrace halloween. > [@](#): > > Why do you laugh in the face of all that cannot be proven by science, except when to be politically correct you have to accept it? Politically correct? Hmmm. Nope. > [@](#): > > You hate the Christians and our lifestyles. No. > [@](#): > > You are supposed to be well enough educated to have different opinions, rather than PC ones. Nnnnope. > [@](#): > > You should be ashamed of yourselves. Nope again. > [@](#): > > Also, the number of very aggressively homosexual posters concerns me. I do not turn homosexuals away from me, but I am very cautious about their lifestyle, as it is so specifically and drastically warned against in the scriptures. Firstly, deal with it. _You_ came _here_, for what you believe to be good and righteous reasons. But you can leave all of the evil homersexurals any time you wish. Secondly, it might do you well to spend some time with the scriptures, reading precisely what is said about sexual immorality of all sorts, and homosexuality in particular. Listen to the Spirit, not Man. > [@](#): > > Praise God. La ilaha illa Allah. Peace be with you. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/22 "2001-11-01T00:29:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*Mmmm! > > _{ **Esprix** eats **SavedByJesus** }_ > > Tasty! > > Esprix \*\* Uh-huh. :rolleyes: Don’t play innnocent with _me_ Mr. Gay Guy! I think Brother SBJ has an excellent point about aggressive homosexuals. Why I bet he can’t count the number of times you (yes, YOU! **Esprix** ), **Gobear** , **Andygirl** and all the other gay dopers have oppressed me, personally. As a matter of fact, I’ll bet Brother SBJ couldn’t count to the number of times you’ve flaunted yourself at me, the number of times you’ve agressively gayed me or the number of times you’ve attempted to undermine my heterosexuality in an attempt to convert me to your heathen lifestyle choice. I’ll just bet he can’t count that high. Brother Fenris, who’s seen the light! ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/23 "2001-11-01T00:30:34Z")
I need to get a little spray bottle. Damn Trolls hate being sprayed. Like Cats. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/24 "2001-11-01T00:31:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Trucido \* > \*\*DNFTT? But… but… I wanted to give the li’l guy a Circus Peanut… look at the way he can stand on his hind legs! \*\* Whatever you do, don’t feed 'em barbeque. They _love_ barbeque, and just keep coming back for more. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/25 "2001-11-01T00:36:27Z")
And Happy Festivus to you too, **SBJ**! Robin, who now feels a strong urge to listen to a heavy metal song. ---
**Author:** ![seawitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@seawitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seawitch)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/26 "2001-11-01T00:37:40Z")
**SBJ** has been tossing post-leaflets into a few Pagan threads as well. All so far appear to be drive-bys. But that’s not important right now. What I really need to know is… **iampunha** , do you have any Lady Godiva _with_ you? Come closer… [sub]sniff sniff[/sub]. Don’t hold out on us…[sub]slaver, drool[/sub] Ehrm. Sorry. I snap right into creepy stalker mode when the Lady is mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/27 "2001-11-01T00:37:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SpaceGhostofArrakis \* > \*\*I need to get a little spray bottle. Damn Trolls hate being sprayed. Like Cats. \*\* No no no no no! That just makes more of 'em! (Or is that gremlins . . .) ---
**Author:** ![DarkJudicator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@DarkJudicator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DarkJudicator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/28 "2001-11-01T00:40:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Trucido \* > \*\*DNFTT? But… but… I wanted to give the li’l guy a Circus Peanut… look at the way he can stand on his hind legs! \*\* Just like a little Rory Calhoun! [/simpsons] ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/29 "2001-11-01T00:42:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by seawitch \* > But that’s not important right now. What I really need to know is… **iampunha** , do you have any Lady Godiva _with_ you? Come closer… [sub]sniff sniff[/sub]. Don’t hold out on us…[sub]slaver, drool[/sub] I do, as a matter of fact, have some Godiva in this post. ::spreads out chocolate on desk in front of him:: ::Stands back as crowd rushes forth:: ::gets trampled anyway:: [sub]ow . . . i hurt[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/30 "2001-11-01T00:43:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SavedByJesus \* > Why is it that you preach love and tolerance to every point of view but the Christian one? Because it’s the one most popular in promoting hate and intolerance? > [@](#): > > Why do you smart people live your lives with such lax morals and openly embrace Pagan rituals like Halloween? Because we also embrace pagan rituals like Christmas and Easter, and we’re equal-opportunity embracers. > [@](#): > > You hate the Christians and our lifestyles. No, we just hate the annoying ones, like you. And the idiot fundamentalist vulture in my office who’s sticking up flyers saying “You must convert to Christianity or further 9/11 atrocities will happen!” > [@](#): > > You should be ashamed of yourselves. Yeah – why haven’t you been banned already? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/31 "2001-11-01T00:45:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SavedByJesus \* > How is it that such a group of smart, well educated people as the frequent readers of the straight dope can be so filled with intolerance? It’s a hobby. > [@](#): > > Why is it that you preach love and tolerance to every point of view but the Christian one? 'Cause I hate you personally. > [@](#): > > Why do you all roll your eyes and turn away at the thought of Christian virtue or prayer, but accept the concept of Pagan Spellcraft and morals? Because it makes you feel all icky inside, like when Brother Bob touches you wrong. > [@](#): > > Why do you smart people live your lives with such lax morals and openly embrace Pagan rituals like Halloween? See above. Plus I have a weakness for frightening gullible idiots. And of course my devil-master does require at least three Xtian babies a month to enable me to meet my payroll. > [@](#): > > Why do you laugh in the face of all that cannot be proven by science, except when to be politically correct you have to accept it? Hobby. Got bored watching TV. > [@](#): > > You hate the Christians and our lifestyles. No, it’s entirely personal, I hate you. Or so says my devil-master. Do you have a child? > [@](#): > > You are supposed to be well enough educated to have different opinions, rather than PC ones. Well, the whole devil-master thing puts a kibosh on that. Damned click through contracts nowadays, you never know what you’re signing up for. My soul, your soul, limited liability and no warranty. > [@](#): > > You should be ashamed of yourselves. Yes, of course. But only on every second Thursday after drinking the blood of newborns. It’s really not Kosher/Halal but ripping children from the womb has tax implications. > [@](#): > > Also, the number of very aggressively homosexual posters concerns me. I do not turn homosexuals away from me, but I am very cautious about their lifestyle, as it is so specifically and drastically warned against in the scriptures. No, I’m sure they deliberately turn away from you. (Until the 3rd Thursday when we need to get some good Xtian newborns.) > [@](#): > > Praise God. Sorry, again that damned click through contract contains a rider regarding that. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/32 "2001-11-01T00:50:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SavedByJesus \* > How is it that such a group of smart, well educated people as the frequent readers of the straight dope can be so filled with intolerance? Actually, the vast majority of the posters to this site, in my experience here, are not filled with intolerance. The self-righteous witnessers, on the other hand, certainly exemplify intolerance. > [@](#): > > Why is it that you preach love and tolerance to every point of view Because not everyone who loves and not everyone who is tolerant is Christian, many people preach those from their traditions. > [@](#): > > but the Christian one? Beg pardon? Asserting that the Christian viewpoint (whatever “_the_ Christian” is; there are very many flavours of Christianity) is not supported here by at least some of the more prominent posters is a lie. I do seem to recall that there’s a commandment against that whole false witness schtick. I presume you will be willing to identify yourself now as a member of The Church of the Nine Commandments. > [@](#): > > Why do you all roll your eyes and turn away at the thought of Christian virtue or prayer, but accept the concept of Pagan Spellcraft and morals? We don’t all do either of those. Yet again, you lie. > [@](#): > > Why do you smart people live your lives with such lax morals Evidently your morals are fairly lax. My morality considers it immoral to lie. > [@](#): > > and openly embrace Pagan rituals like Halloween? Why do so many Christians openly embrace pagan rituals like Easter and Christmas and a lot of the traditions attached to them? > [@](#): > > Why do you laugh in the face of all that cannot be proven by science, A good number of the more prominent (by that, I mean “more prolific” and also “well known by the board membership”) posters here not only practice their faith but have managed to both explain it to folks here and to also discuss rationally, and without resorting to lies (which is your method), the different avenues of faith represented by the board membership. > [@](#): > > except when to be politically correct you have to accept it? What are you talking about? You already asserted that people here don’t believe stuff without evidence but now you’re asserting that they do? > [@](#): > > You hate the Christians Incorrect. Being a Christian myself (but I’m willing to bet you’re going to tell me straightaway that I’m not since I’m a Latter-day Saint), I kind of like Christianity. It’s my faith, after all. > [@](#): > > and our lifestyles. Don’t hate the Christian lifestyle. Hate those who feel that they must lie about them and us here to prove to themselves we’re scum of the Earth when we’re not. Actually, I don’t hate those such as you; more like I’m annoyed at y’all. > [@](#): > > You are supposed to be well enough educated to have different opinions, rather than PC ones. And you’re supposed to follow that there commandment, since you’re a Christian, now aren’t you? > [@](#): > > You should be ashamed of yourselves. Why should we? After all, we are not as you portray us and it is you, not we, who are disobeying the deity you purportedly worship. I’m still at a loss as to how that’s honoring that deity. Enlighten me, please. > [@](#): > > Also, the number of very aggressively homosexual posters concerns me. Why? Are you afraid they’re after your “hot body?” Very much proof exists to show that homosexuality is not a chosen lifestyle, but rather a genetic tendency (will another poster more knowledgeable about that verify/correct/expand please?). Whilst it is true my church teaches that _homosexual activity_ is sinful, it does not teach that _homosexuals_ are the embodiment of sin. But it is also true that my church also teaches that heterosexual activity (like premarital sex) outside of marriage is sinful. > [@](#): > > I do not turn homosexuals away from me, Oh, so some have propositioned you and you accepted? Odd, that, since you’re so concerned about the lifestyle. Anyway, it’s none of your business what goes on in someone else’s bedroom. You see, when I get married, there’s absolutely zero chance I’ll be asking you what I may and may not do with my spouse BECAUSE IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. You don’t like homosexual acts, don’t accept the proposition. > [@](#): > > but I am very cautious about their lifestyle, as it is so specifically and drastically warned against in the scriptures. If you’re limiting “the scriptures” to just the Holy Bible, you’re incorrect. Now, we LDS have a bit more to tell us not to do that stuff but that’s still just our business, NOT YOURS. > [@](#): > > Praise God. The Holy Quran warns us against people such as you: > [@](#): > > Or is it that you say of Allah what you know not?" > [ul]2:80[/ul] The Holy Bible tells us: > [@](#): > > Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour > [ul]Exodus 20:16[/ul] Joseph Smith Jr announced to all and sundry: > [@](#): > > We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. > [ul]Articles of Faith 11[/ul] Alma warned us: > [@](#): > > Behold, wickedness never was happiness. > [ul]Alma 41:10[/ul] > [@](#): > > SBJ Isn’t there something in the Bible about taking the Lord’s Name in vain? ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/33 "2001-11-01T00:51:40Z")
Guess **SBJ** Left. Probaly was running late for the Church Haunted house. Look! It’s a unmarried woman! Having a baby! _shudder_ You know, a lot of church haunted Houses suck. But my Grandmother’s Church (Birdville Baptist Church…Oldest congregation in Tarrant{Ft. Worth} county!) has always been cool. Since age three or so. ---
**Author:** ![Crunchy\_Frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Crunchy\_Frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crunchy_Frog)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/34 "2001-11-01T00:59:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SavedByJesus \* > **Why is it that you preach love and tolerance to every point of view but the Christian one?** I’ve been here for quite some time and as a Christian, found people to be very tolerant of my beliefs. However a possible explanation could be that in america (where most of the posters here are from) Christians have a bad reputation for being intolorant of any other “non-wholesome” group. > [@](#): > > **Why do you smart people live your lives with such lax morals and openly embrace Pagan rituals like Halloween?** Because we’re smart. Lax morals are fun. Halloween is fun. How does dressing up like a hobo or a ghost and getting candy door-to-door threaten one’s belief in Christ? It’s only a Pagan ritual if you treat it as one. If you approach it as a fun way to spend a night I don’t see a problem. Christmas Day also has its roots in non-Christian religions, but it’s all in the manner you approach and believe in the holiday. > [@](#): > > **Why do you laugh in the face of all that cannot be proven by science, except when to be politically correct you have to accept it?** I’m sorry, can you rephrase this in a coherent manner? I don’t understand what you’re getting at. > [@](#): > > **You hate the Christians and our lifestyles. You are supposed to be well enough educated to have different opinions, rather than PC ones.** I don’t think they hate _all_ Christians. Just the judgmental ones telling everyone else how to live. > [@](#): > > **You should be ashamed of yourselves.** I am very ashamed. I can’t believe I paid money to watch _Battlefield Earth_. Don’t tell anyone though, ok? I feel bad enough as it is. > [@](#): > > **Also, the number of very aggressively homosexual posters concerns me.** [Crocodile Hunter mode on] And here we see the American homosexual in his natural habitat - San Francisco. Homosexuals vary in weight and plumage and blend into their surroundings very well. This lot here is very aggressive. You’ve got to be careful not to turn your back on them or bend over too near them else you’ll be walking funny on your way home. Most homosexuals aren’t nearly this feisty, but these little beauties are really in the mood today. [Crocodile Hunter mode off] ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/35 "2001-11-01T01:00:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SavedByJesus \* > \*\* I do not turn homosexuals away from me… \*\* Than how do you… Oh, never mind. Even I can’t finish this one. ---
**Author:** ![False\_God](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ee7513/32.png) [@False\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/False_God)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/36 "2001-11-01T01:02:07Z")
So, what did you guys think of Jordan the other night? 19 points is pretty good for a 38 year old guy, even if there’s almost no other reason to watch the Wizards. Oh, and I thought it only fitting to stop in and further horrify the Chick-thing that walks like a man. And as to the aggressive homosexual thing, I think the Onion has the first and last words here: [http://www.theonion.com/onion3604/sucking\_my\_cock.html](http://www.theonion.com/onion3604/sucking_my_cock.html) Peace out. ---
**Author:** ![Daowajan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Daowajan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daowajan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/37 "2001-11-01T01:04:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Crunchy Frog \* > \*\*[Crocodile Hunter mode on] > And here we see the American homosexual in his natural habitat - San Francisco. Homosexuals vary in weight and plumage and blend into their surroundings very well. This lot here is very aggressive. You’ve got to be careful not to turn your back on them or bend over too near them else you’ll be walking funny on your way home. Most homosexuals aren’t nearly this feisty, but these little beauties are really in the mood today. > [Crocodile Hunter mode off] \*\* Thanks, Crunchy. I haven’t laughed so hard all week. ---
**Author:** ![Kamandi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5daacb/32.png) [@Kamandi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamandi)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/38 "2001-11-01T01:05:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by tiggeril \* > > Kamandi: Trick or treat? Kin I have a Snickers? > > So **that** ’s where the candy is! > > I want a Mounds and some Peppermint patties! \*\* :: _Kamandi opens front door, holding enormous overflowing bowl_ :: Okay, I’ve got Snickers, Hershey’s Special Dark, KitKat, Peppermint Patties and little bags of M&Ms. Sorry, no Mounds - I can’t abide coconut. Mrs K is just finishing off a huge batch of caramel apples. You’ll have to wait a few minutes if you want one. Moms & Dads: just help yourselves to the keg out there on the lawn. Just remember to properly dispose of your plastic cups afterward. Everyone form a double line, no shoving or you get a toothbrush. :: _starts doling out handfuls of Fun Size goodies_ :: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/39 "2001-11-01T01:09:26Z")
> [@](#): > > So, what did you guys think of Jordan the other night? 19 points is pretty good for a 38 year old guy, even if there’s almost no other reason to watch the Wizards. Well, sure. But Mike would have made that 3-pointer. This guy is like some wierd Bizarro Mike. ---
**Author:** ![Mercutio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Mercutio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mercutio)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2001, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-place-is-so-close-to-being-great-but-instead-is-filled-with-hate/90814/40 "2001-11-01T01:16:50Z")
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