This....Reddit......thing....(now back here)

In this latest ban I got, I, no way, engaged in “harrassment and bullying” - just simply challenged some trolly alt-right creepo without resorting to any ad hominem comments or anything, and made me wonder if reddit is trying to play soft with that toxic contingent or stupidly attempting bothsidesism.
Even very minor stuff - never bothered to find out what flairs or “karma” was for the six months I was there.
I know no one here is into hockey, but it must be said the r/hockey sub had mainly knowlegeable (and often funny!) posters there.
r/CrackheadCraigslist was often quite entertaining, among one or two other subs, but other than that, doubtful I’ll be re-visiting reddit.
Here’s cooler.

Doesn’t each subreddit essentially act as its own forum, with its own rules and core members and moderators? Do the sitewide admins from corporate really step in during day to day discussions and disagreements?

Yes, but very rarely did I see mods step in to intervene, other than commenting “automoderators”.

I don’t understand… weren’t you banned multiple times? Were those not by the moderators?

Yes, but by automoderator or IRL mod I’ll never know. My point being I’ve almost never seen a mod appear in a thread, regardless of how off the rails it might be going. Certainly never as effectively modded as it has been here.

Ah, got it. Yeah, we have great moderation here, for which I’m very thankful.

I’m banned from r/mildlyinteresting but can’t exactly figure out why. I only remember one warning and you are supposed to get 3. Something to do with a title of a post I made. I’m a very cautious poster, I don’t do anything risque. But they have a method to get unbanned. You have to narc on 3 other posters!!!

Lifting a Restriction

You must wait at least 30 days after your restriction was issued to appeal it. Here are the steps for appealing:

  1. Take some time to read through our rules and understand why your posts were removed.

  2. Reply to your ban message with at least three links to submissions from other users which break the rules and have not yet been removed. You must also explain why each post breaks the rule(s).

I have a low tolerance for that kind of thing.
Never once had to deal with that mod snowflakiness here.

Yeaah, but they can get picky and usually support liberal views. It ain’t neutral.

First, please don’t take this as an attack on you or your personal POV @mixdenny, but I’d like to express my POV on neutrality here.

Speaking for myself as a poster, and not as a mod ('cause that would be ATMB) I am absolutely more sympathetic with most “liberal” social positions as expressed in America, though I’m also more… pragmatic? about what the tax burden may have to be than some.

And yes I strongly disagree as a poster with some posters who are on the more conservative side of the spectrum. But when I’m moderating, it’s very much about keeping the conversation on track, moving, and reducing the personal attacks, no matter the preferences of the poster in question.

I’ve also refused quite a number of flags to correct statements perceived as counter-factual, because that isn’t our job as mods.

So, no, we’re not “neutral” - we have personal opinions, preferences and tolerances. But by and large, all of us moderate based on the rules as currently posted.

If you seriously think I or the others are heavily putting our fingers on the scales, then I seriously suggest you open up an ATMB thread on it.

[ again, modhat is off, you are free to disagree with my opinions as a poster, but again, feel that subject is better suited to ATMB ]

Back to a more general conversation though, it appears the biggest contrast to reddit style moderation (as laid out by @mixdenny) is that we HAVE places like ATMB or even (polite please!) DM’s to the forum moderators where you can make the case. With better understandings, I’ve seen plenty of rulings mitigated (or elevated), misunderstandings resolved, as well as fair number where a majority of mods disagreed with an individual poster. It’s a human society, it isn’t perfect, and like all others it has rules that not everyone agrees with 100%.

Do I think it’s a lot better (and again, ATMB being a large part of it!) than most other social media platforms that seem ruled by either the rule of large numbers, monetization/clicks/views, or by a very narrow range of allowed posting? Hell yes.

Others obviously disagree, or rather, everyone would like the lines drawn differently, more permissive or less, more free form or less, etc. Again, seems human nature. :person_shrugging:

Moderators here explain their rationale in detail, so you have an opportunity to adjust behavior in light of that. The equivalent of mods at FB or reddit (live or computer) simply warn or ban you for allegedly violating a buzzword rule like “No harassment” with zero explanation. Screw that.


Now that’s sick. To appeal you must find 3 people as bad or worse than you were and then correctly parse out how their posts violate the rules you don’t understand.

That’s designed to create groupthink in action. Which may be evil shitty groupthink or may be puppies and unicorns groupthink.

Not always. There are tens of thousands of reasonably active subreddits with vastly different standards. Similar for Facebook. Certainly many are as you describe but you can’t paint with that wide a brush.

As others have said, Reddit is more like a collection of disparate sites. Just anecdotally, here are a few that I find interesting and largely without drama:

AmericanExpatsUK

MapPorn

Todayilearned

Whatisthisthing

+1, This forum is very well-run, from what I’ve seen of Reddit and City-Data.

:two_hearts: and :bouquet: :bouquet: to the Mods, who almost always get it right!

A little off-topic, but as a pumpkin pie lover, I share your POV: there are too damn many boring pumpkin pies in the world. Enough spice is essential. Complaining about lack of spice should be praised, not banned!

My pumpkin pie recipe is the one on the Libby’s can, with two modifications: (1) double the cinnamon, ginger, and cloves; (2) the deep-dish pie shell should be a graham cracker crust (Keebler’s is good).

People who have said they don’t like pumpkin pie have come back for seconds of mine.

Thank you, helps to hear it from time to time. And that’s me who has had the least time in position to get stressed!

Giving the most tiny credit to alternatives though, we’re a small enough community that we can mostly take the time to stop, research the flag/issue, and respond with an explanation. If we were back at our peak, that would be a lot harder, and even these days there are times things get away from us and details get lost.

Which is why I think while there are gross similarities between our flags and Reddit’s privateer-like requirements, the nuance of human review makes the difference. And I’ll thank all for well-thought out flags, seriously.

yes—size matters!
And size is the biggest difference between reddit and the Dope.

The Dope is the perfect size–we are a community.
Reddit forums are almost all too big. They are so huge that they are totally anonymous, and therefor less trustworthy.

I recognize half of the names here at the Dope, and I know that that there are zero AI bots among them. There are maybe a couple hundred names about whom I know something personal, from their previous posts. So I know that I can trust their posts to be worth reading.
On reddit,I don’t know a single username, and every time I read something, I have to guess: is the person a troll, an AI bot, a crank, or a person whose opinion deserves to be read carefully.

It really is, isn’t it? Large enough so it isn’t just the same ten or fifteen posters all the time, large enough that there are people with a whole bunch of different knowledge sets who contribute to the discussions. But small enough that you see the same nyms enough to get a feel for a fair number of them as people, and small enough so the mods aren’t overrun with problems and have to resort to arbitrariness.

I’m not here as often as I used to be, but this is still a good place.

I think I’m a member over there, but wouldn’t swear to it. I don’t post there; I have enough of a struggle to stay out of trouble here at times.

Yeah, reddit has gone insane with censorship. I got a warning for calling the KKK a terrorist group. I got another warning for saying if Trump uses CECOT in El Salvador to hold US political prisoners (politicians, activists, judges, etc), that one of our NATO allies should invade El Salvador and free the political prisoners.

Its virtually impossible to post, even the most banal comment can get a warning or a ban.

They are destroying their board, and I hope they do. I hope AI companies have scraped all the data they need, and the site collapses. Its useless now that they’ve made an IPO.