# This thread goes backwards **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 6, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769 "2019-09-06T02:22:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/441 "2019-10-16T16:52:14Z")
It’s true that hot air ballooning was invented by the French (Montgolfier Brothers) but [the Germans must have been pretty good at it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA_BhX0UdAo), as seen in this clip from the post-Civil War documentary, _F-Troop_. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/442 "2019-10-20T13:13:12Z")
So I’ve been up all night watching youtube videos, and there was one that was a documentary about the french resistance during the german occupation. In the video, the claim is made that the resistance could have ousted the occupiers except for the German balloon corp. How can that be? The French invented ballooning fer gosh sakes. ---
**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/443 "2019-10-20T14:05:01Z")
You’re posting later than usual. Is there a reason for that, or you’re just being lazy? ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/444 "2019-10-20T15:54:33Z")
Here I am, let the party begin! ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/445 "2019-10-20T16:24:19Z")
It’s like that Scorpions song “Here I am, something something.” What was the rest of that title? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/446 "2019-10-21T06:13:56Z")
There’s that song, “We’re Not Lost, We’re Here.” ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/447 "2019-10-21T06:18:33Z")
Or the song “Here I am - treat me like an animal” Is that the one? ---
**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/448 "2019-10-21T07:00:58Z")
Remember that poster that thought of himself as the next Weird Al? I remember that one song he posted, Chelsea Clinton, a parody of Chelsea Morning. Weird Al… guy wasn’t even Bob Rivers. I vaguely remember something he did on The Scorpions, can’t quite remember what that one was about. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/449 "2019-10-21T13:09:37Z")
I dunno, I mean yeah sure you can say there’s a technical definition, and yeah there’s sculpture and painting and whatnot, but honestly how do you define art in the real world? Is Charles Schultz any less an artist because he drew a comic strip? Just because the song is funny, does that make the musician any less of an artist? Is poetry art? What about the written word, is Steven King an artist? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/450 "2019-10-21T17:18:39Z")
I’m not sure I’d call it “art” - unless you want to call all types of humor “art.” Parody is imitation. It starts with someone else’s idea, then it adapts something else’s style and format. Sure, the OP can try some sort of mashup of Dr. Zhivago, Evita, and the Gone With the Wind turned into an online game. I rather doubt it will be as much fun as imagined, and I don’t think computer games are a good way to highlight DEEP THOUGHTS, such as likening Robert E. Lee to Lenin and Che Guevera (not to mention having them all intersect at Guernica to battle the freaking Nazis!) And I don’t want to Godwinize this thread, but the way it sounds, eventually Abraham Lincoln and Hitler end up on the same side. Do we really want to go there? Homage, maybe. Parody, maybe. Plagiarism, maybe. Art with a capital “A”? I vote No. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/451 "2019-10-21T17:46:11Z")
People say that art is subjective. I just wish that I was subjected to whatever that was. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/452 "2019-10-21T23:50:14Z")
The real question is whether art is objective or subjective. What are people saying? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/453 "2019-10-21T23:59:48Z")
I question modern art. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/454 "2019-10-22T00:14:24Z")
Does anyone have a question about modern art? ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/455 "2019-10-22T00:40:23Z")
I mean, we’re talking about artists like Rembrandt, at least I think we are, not modern art, right? ---
**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/456 "2019-10-22T02:48:56Z")
And then you’ve got artists like Rothko, Mondrian, Pollack, Calder. Their works are a bit more abstract, but that’s no reason to dismiss them. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/457 "2019-10-22T04:45:29Z")
I’m ambivalent about the modernist achievements. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/458 "2019-10-23T02:19:02Z")
On the contrary, in contrast to Henry David Thoreau’s rather simplistic approach to rural life evidenced in _Walden_, Jethro Tull was an innovator in agricultural practices, although some of his methods proved to be non-sustainable. Thoreau’s primary contribution to history is the concept of Civil Disobedience, and its role in 20th Century modernist philosophies. ---
**Author:** ![atimnie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atimnie/32/11_2.png) [@atimnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atimnie)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/459 "2019-10-23T04:03:31Z")
I don’t think you can put art on a scale. Can you really say that Renoir is better than Gauguin? Or Manet is better than Monet? That’s as pointless as saying Thoreau was more advanced than Jethro Tull. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769/460 "2019-10-23T06:35:46Z")
Well, let’s look at the facts. Who had better technique Manet or Monet? Renoir, Gauguin? Who was more advanced? Possibly more forward thinking Jethro Tull or Thoreau? I mean, there has to be a way to objectively evaluate their works. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-thread-goes-backwards/839769.md?page=24)