# This was not a problem ideally suited to the methods of the committee **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 18, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717 "2024-02-18T02:31:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cannonkuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b9bd4f/32.png) [@cannonkuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cannonkuo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/1 "2024-02-18T02:31:58Z")
After the Falklands crisis, Haig, the then-mediator, said, The United Nations, with its vociferous anti-colonialist coalition of Third World and Marxist members, would probably not be able to act quickly enough to be effective, and the debate was certain to digress into issues that would exacerbate a situation that could only be resolved by quiet diplomacy. The OAS was unsatisfactory for similar reasons. There was no time to form a consortium of European and American states, and besides, this was not a problem ideally suited to **the methods of the committee.** (Treverton, Gregory and Lippincott, Don, _Falklands/ Malvinas, (B): The Haig Mediation Effort,_ Kennedy School of Government, Case Program, 1987, pp. 8-9) What are **the methods of committee** in the context? Please enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/2 "2024-02-18T02:46:44Z")
It’s pretty clear from the context: slow to act and prone to digression. For good measure, add the likelihood of an unenforceable compromise solution unacceptable to both parties ---
**Author:** ![cannonkuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b9bd4f/32.png) [@cannonkuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cannonkuo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/3 "2024-02-18T02:54:53Z")
[quote=“Kent\_Clark, post:2, topic:997717, full:true”] It’s pretty clear from the context: slow to act and prone to digression. For good measure, add the likelihood of an unenforceable compromise solution unacceptable to both parties [/quote Is it because any international dispute will be broken down into various committees when it reaches the UN or OAS, and that’s why it’s called the “ **method of the committee** ”? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/4 "2024-02-18T03:11:57Z")
The “method” of any committee (not limited to international organizations) is to allow each member an opportunity to air their point of view and offer solutions. Inevitably some members of the committee will try to branch the discussion into matters of their own individual interest rather than the issue at hand. It also happens that recommendations of the committee are a product of compromise designed to pass through the committee by alienating the fewest members. Committees are useful for reaching a broad consensus on issues, but not so much for quick, specific action. By contrast, the method of “quiet diplomacy” rarely involves any other than the parties directly involved and perhaps an acceptable mediator. Since the discussions are private, there’s less opportunity for outside influence or distraction, and any resolution that comes from such discussion will have been agreed upon by both parties. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/5 "2024-02-18T03:30:50Z")
> [@cannonkuo](#): > > > The OAS was unsatisfactory for similar reasons. There was no time to form a consortium of European and American states, and besides, this was not a problem ideally suited to **the methods of the committee.** > [@cannonkuo](#): > > Is it because any international dispute will be broken down into various committees when it reaches the UN or OAS, and that’s why it’s called the “ **method of the committee** ”? If you’re asking what committee he’s talking about, given that he had just mentioned the OAS in the preceding sentence, it seems likely to me that he was referring to the General Committee of the OAS. [OAS :: General Committee of the Permanent Council](https://www.oas.org/en/council/COMGRAL/) The intervening mention of _European_ states is inconsistent with that interpretation, but if this is a transcript of speech people are not always precise in putting alternatives in perfectly logical order. It could of course also be a UN committee, but it reads like he was _totally_ dismissive of the UN. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/6 "2024-02-18T03:36:43Z")
_Method of the committee_ isn’t a reference to anything specific. It’s just an acknowledgement that when presented with complex and multi-faceted issues, committees tend to work slowly, relying on concensus, often producing plans that make no one happy and fail to achieve their goals. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/7 "2024-02-18T03:39:50Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > _Method of the committee_ isn’t a reference to anything specific. It’s just an acknowledgement that when presented with complex and multi-faceted issues, committees tend to work slowly, relying on concensus, often producing plans that make no one happy and fail to achieve their goals. For me, that nonspecific meaning would be conveyed only by “the methods of **a** committee”, not the definite article. But I don’t know how tolerant of “the” for that meaning his dialect might be, and it’s always possible he did say “a committee” and it was mistranscribed. ---
**Author:** ![cannonkuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b9bd4f/32.png) [@cannonkuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cannonkuo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/8 "2024-02-18T03:58:08Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > The intervening mention of _European_ states is inconsistent with that interpretation, but if this is a transcript of speech people are not always precise in putting alternatives in perfectly logical order. That’s also part of my confusion… ---
**Author:** ![Francis\_Vaughan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/francis_vaughan/32/3093_2.png) [@Francis\_Vaughan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francis_Vaughan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/9 "2024-02-18T03:59:03Z")
I would read it as being a generic reference to committees. Consider a similar conundrum where the question is whether to put the question to a court. It becomes **The methods of the judiciary** It doesn’t specify any particular judiciary or jurisdiction, but applies to a particular mechanism of reaching a goal. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/10 "2024-02-18T04:54:52Z")
A camel has been described as a ‘horse designed by a committee’. This phrase is so well worn that the process of committee work is often called _camelling_. The quote from the OP is referring to the slow process of committees most directly, but also intends to convey that the result will be far less than ideal. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2024, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/11 "2024-02-18T14:03:30Z")
I think @Kent_Clark nailed it, with an excellent side explanation by @Francis_Vaughan. Haig’s register when speaking or writing is that of an omniscient mostly-disinterested observer well above the fray, pointing out the structures and strictures of the situation. All of his opinions and observations are presented as absolute facts. Which is a pretty common POV taken by foreign policy academics. Which he was whenever he wasn’t an active foreign policy mover and shaker. His overall construction of the cited paragraph means: > This situation (preventing the shooting war) requires prompt resolute action. That can only be done by immediate quiet diplomacy directly between the belligerents. Conversely, referring this problem to _any_ committee, whether UN, OAS, or something _ad hoc_, will fail both the prompt and resolute tests. Due to the general nature of committees. ---
**Author:** ![cannonkuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b9bd4f/32.png) [@cannonkuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cannonkuo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/12 "2024-02-19T14:17:42Z")
Thank you all for your time and informed explanations. I’m a lot less confused now. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-was-not-a-problem-ideally-suited-to-the-methods-of-the-committee/997717/13 "2024-02-19T15:59:07Z")
Many committees assume that by nature they should be coming to a consensus in their decision making. Which, in many cases consensus decision making is inefficient, slow, watered down, etc.