# This website is fake, right? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 5, 2004, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599 "2004-05-05T07:10:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/21 "2004-05-06T16:57:14Z")
> [@TwistofFate](#): > > dude, every freaking day is white heritage day. Bull. I’m a white american male (for the most part). How come I don’t get special treatment at any point? And if you claim, for a moment, that I get special treatment because I’m white, then you’re treading the grounds of Racism very carefully… I pay the same price as everyone else, and I get paid the same as my other coworkers… 1 white guy, 1 chinese immigrant, and 1 card carrying native american. I am tired of this belief. ---
**Author:** ![Thirty-Nine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f0a364/32.png) [@Thirty-Nine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thirty-Nine)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2004, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/22 "2004-05-06T18:45:13Z")
> [@](#): > > McDonald’s is an awesome place for Asian and Pacific Islander Americans to work, own franchises and move into top management. _Awesome?_ That just about sums it up for me. ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2004, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/23 "2004-05-06T19:28:27Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > Bull. > > I’m a white american male (for the most part). How come I don’t get special treatment at any point? And if you claim, for a moment, that I get special treatment because I’m white, then you’re treading the grounds of Racism very carefully… > > I pay the same price as everyone else, and I get paid the same as my other coworkers… 1 white guy, 1 chinese immigrant, and 1 card carrying native american. > > I am tired of this belief. You do get special treatment, whether or not you are aware of it or even seek it out. It’s not a reflection on you personally- just on the fact that you exist in a social, cultural and political environment in which fairer-skinned people still have an undue advantage. Simple examples - if you have a “white” name, you will tend to have better success in the job market than someone with a “black” name. ([cite](http://www.nationalfairhousing.org/html/archives/Mit_Uchiago_study.pdf)). Or, if you’re a white job applicant who discloses a prior criminal conviction during a job interview, you are more likely to get hired than a black job applicant who does not disclose a criminal conviction. ([cite](http://www.northwestern.edu/ipr/publications/papers/2002/WP-02-37.pdf)). I’m sure others can weigh in with studies of phenomena like racial steering in housing, discrimination in access to credit and financing, etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![Futile\_Gesture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f05b48/32.png) [@Futile\_Gesture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Futile_Gesture)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2004, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/24 "2004-05-06T21:09:24Z")
> [@antechinus](#): > > Note the nice little meme McD for mobile messaging. I’ll think you’ll find that the correct meme is “MCDS TM”. Anyone forgeting that better have a good lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/25 "2004-05-06T22:41:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Whether we’re sipping green tea or enjoying a Big Mac® sandwich, we’re **helping make the magic mix called America become even richer.** (bolding mine, of course) That was what did it for me. How does McDonald’s get away with this? I demand equal rights. I demand [i-am-white.com](http://i-am-white.com)! ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2004, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/26 "2004-05-06T22:52:58Z")
They’re using all the wrong smilies. (-\_-);;; (^o^)/ ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/27 "2004-05-07T01:21:22Z")
Says Jeevmon… > [@](#): > > Or, if you’re a white job applicant who discloses a prior criminal conviction during a job interview, you are more likely to get hired than a black job applicant who does not disclose a criminal conviction. (cite). I’m sure others can weigh in with studies of phenomena like racial steering in housing, discrimination in access to credit and financing, etc., etc. I didn’t read all 56 pages of the paper, but did you mean to say that a white person who does not lie on a job application, usually gets the job over a black person who does? Well slap my ass and call me suprised. :eek: :smack: I know how fortunate I am, being a white male, I won’t deny it. I also know the ins and outs of the system, and how prevalent passive racism is in American society. I think the days of outright racism are gone with 1950’s Mississppi. I think the real bigotry is cultural. I think the real bigotry reveals itself in music, in advertising, in business, in the daily operation of the corporate citizens who while courting their main customers, ignore a smaller customer base, simply because of their cultural choices, which, I know, relate in a real way to skin color and race, but I believe the fundamental bigotry to be cultural, rather than racial. ---
**Author:** ![Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laughing_Lagomorph)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/28 "2004-05-07T01:31:18Z")
I don’t necessarily disagree with you **buttonjockey**. I was just going to point out that a lot of bigotry in this country is also based on social class rather than race or culture. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/29 "2004-05-07T01:43:26Z")
Two reasons you can’t celebrate white culture… 1. Racists tend to be the ones pushing the idea 2. It doesn’t exist. Not in the “we stole all our culture from everyone else” kind of way, just that there IS no white American culture or heritage. There are cultures for smaller groups of people who happen to be white, like Irish or Italians, but there is no white culture that connects all of those various groups from all across Europe. All that white people have as a common bond is skin pigmentation and, arguably, an economic advantage (even thought that’s not universal). There are too many American whites for it to be otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/30 "2004-05-07T04:28:21Z")
**Marley23** , can’t your point #2 be used in the exact same way for “Asian,” a fairly nebulous term for Japan, China, both Koreas, Pacific Islanders, and a whole lot else I’m sure I’m forgetting? Does that make it impossible to celebrate “Asian Culture” as a whole? ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/31 "2004-05-07T05:31:44Z")
What on Earth is so attractive about unwarranted self-pity? I’m serious, I can’t imagine why someone would want to believe their lives are so miserable when compared to the entire rest of the world, spanning all of history, they have the best lives ever. Fine by me though, if you choose to be miserable. ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/32 "2004-05-07T13:52:54Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Says Jeevmon… > > I didn’t read all 56 pages of the paper, but did you mean to say that a white person who does not lie on a job application, usually gets the job over a black person who does? Well slap my ass and call me suprised. :eek: :smack: I sure hope you didn’t mean to say that every black person who says they’re not a convicted felon is lying. Because that would be a pretty bigoted thing to say, and not at all consistent with the remainder of your post. ---
**Author:** ![dakravel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@dakravel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dakravel)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/33 "2004-05-07T21:29:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Or, if you’re a white job applicant who discloses a prior criminal conviction during a job interview, you are more likely to get hired than a black job applicant who does not disclose a criminal conviction. I don’t know if this was intended, but the way you phrase makes it sound like the white person disclosed a felony conviction, and the black applicant had a felony conviction, but did not see fit to let his prospective employers know. Maybe some clarification is needed? ---
**Author:** ![mouthbreather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@mouthbreather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mouthbreather)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/34 "2004-05-07T22:42:05Z")
Relax, everyone! Let’s all go mellow out with a quarter pounder with cheese!!!1 LOLROF :DDDDD ---
**Author:** ![Ghanima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Ghanima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ghanima)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/35 "2004-05-07T23:15:00Z")
This thread is leaving a really bad taste in my mouth… I’m leavin’ it! Off to [i-am-white.com](http://i-am-white.com) I go! ---
**Author:** ![Ross](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e274bd/32.png) [@Ross](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ross)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/36 "2004-05-08T00:06:46Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > Bull. > > I’m a white american male (for the most part). How come I don’t get special treatment at any point? And if you claim, for a moment, that I get special treatment because I’m white, then you’re treading the grounds of Racism very carefully… > > I pay the same price as everyone else, and I get paid the same as my other coworkers… 1 white guy, 1 chinese immigrant, and 1 card carrying native american. > > I am tired of this belief. It’s not without foundation. OWe have learned not to recognise our privilege. “… whites are carefully taught not to recognise white privilege, as males are taught not to recognise male privilege… whites are taught to think of their lives as morally neutral, formative and average, and also ideal, so that when we work to benefit others, this is seen as work which will allow ‘them’ to be more like ‘us’… a man’s sex provides advantage for him whether or not he approves of the way in which dominance has been conferred on his group… to redesign social systems we need first to acknowledge their colossal dimensions.” Mackintosh 1988 and 1991, quoted in Bons-Storm, 138 (Bons-Storm, Riet - _The Incredible Woman: Listening to Women’s Silences in Pastoral Care and Counselling_ (Abingdon, 1996)) I find this a pretty compelling argument. I do not suggest that people consciously teach us these things. But it’s a learned blindness nonetheless. We have no idea, for the most part, just how well-off we are. You may be paid the same wage as your Native American friend, but it hardly puts you on an equal footing. Mind you, it’s a start… These are just ideas. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/37 "2004-05-17T22:38:52Z")
Look at it this way: at least this is better than an Asian guy riding on a souped up Honda, saying, “I am Rice Boy”. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/38 "2004-05-17T23:05:35Z")
> [@Tristan](#): > > I pay the same price as everyone else, and I get paid the same as my other coworkers… 1 white guy, 1 chinese immigrant, and 1 card carrying native american. > > I am tired of this belief. Dude, what about the free bus rides we get? And the complementary drinks and stuff? 😉 **Marley23** , no White culture my booty! White folks have no culture just like Americans don’t have accents! I’d suggest that the majority of Whities in the US don’t particularly identify with their European ancestors (when they even know who they were) on more than a superficial level, and certainly not more than they identify with their 'merkin brethren & …er… sistren. And as for AN Asian culture–explain to a group of Japanese that they are just like another group of Koreans. Go on! Give it a whirl! If anything I just poset is erroneous or offensive, blame McDonalds because I wouldn’t have posted it if it weren’t for them. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/39 "2004-05-17T23:10:38Z")
So when is McD’s going to start serving Asian food? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2004, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599/40 "2004-05-17T23:52:27Z")
> [@Ghanima](#): > > This thread is leaving a really bad taste in my mouth… > I’m leavin’ it! Off to [i-am-white.com](http://i-am-white.com) I go! I’d like to point out that if you C&P [i-am-white.com](http://i-am-white.com) into your browser, it goes to a web page saying > [@](#): > > Coming Soon! I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that McD’s _ain’t_ the owner of that url. (I also have a feeling that I _don’t_ want to know who does.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/this-website-is-fake-right/243599.md?page=3)