# Thor: Love and Thunder **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 18, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008 "2022-04-18T19:41:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/21 "2022-04-18T22:21:12Z")
She was funny in those SNL sketches where she raps as an absurdly aggressive version of herself. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/22 "2022-04-18T22:46:44Z")
Natalie Portman was kind of dicked around a bit on _Thor 2_; promised a woman director and signed on board to a different script, so that’s why she resented returning for any more. But things mellow with time, and new directors make more reassuring inclusive promises, and now with a Jane-centric storyline that gives her something complex to do, I’m not surprised she’s back on-board. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/23 "2022-04-18T23:23:44Z")
I’m just amused… amazed… at Star-Lord being the one dispensing sage life-and-how-to-live-it advice like a dad or something. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/24 "2022-04-18T23:40:17Z")
I get that Thor is giving up the Hammer, and so Jane takes up the hammer and the powers. Fine. But why would she get the name of Thor? It’s not a title, it is his name. I mean you can have other Spidermen, but they wouldn’t become Peter Parker. A new Ironman, sure, but that doesn’t make them Tony Stark too. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/25 "2022-04-18T23:48:30Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But why would she get the name of Thor? It’s not a title, it is his name. In the books, there wound up being a number of different characters who have/had the name/title of Thor, due at least in part to multiverse shenanigans. When Jane wielded Mjolnir, she was typically referred to as Lady Thor, while the original was referred to as Thor Odinson. Whether that would fly in a movie is another question, of course. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2022, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/26 "2022-04-18T23:53:53Z")
How many of them were mainstream Marvel universe? “Lady Thor” isn’t too bad, I guess. Still, that part, the name, doesn’t make sense, but we are dealing with Comic Book writers, not Neil Gaiman (who indeed, wrote a comic!) ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/27 "2022-04-19T00:06:00Z")
I am one of the three people on the planet, it seems, who did not like _Thor: Ragnarok_. It felt like it was written and directed as a glibness contest, with just about every character trying to out-glib the others. So I am not super thrilled that the same team is bringing us this, except updating to 90s nostalgia instead of 80s. But I’ll see it anyway 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/28 "2022-04-19T00:14:34Z")
Remember that Hela destroyed Mjolnir during the events of _Ragnarok_. The hammer that Steve Rogers wielded in _Endgame_ was a past version brought forward in time when Thor and Rocket went back to Asgard for the Aether/Reality Stone. After the final defeat of Thanos, Steve returned Mjolnir along with the Infinity Stones to their original times and places. The hammer that Lady Thor is wielding is either a new one or possibly reforged out of the shards of the shattered Mjolnir. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/29 "2022-04-19T00:28:24Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Hela destroyed Mjolnir during the events of _Ragnarok_ . The hammer that Steve Rogers wielded in _Endgame_ was a past version brought forward in time when Thor and Rocket went back to Asgard for the Aether/Reality Stone. After the final defeat of Thanos, Steve returned Mjolnir along with the Infinity Stones to their original times and places. The hammer that Lady Thor is wielding is either a new one or possibly reforged out of the shards of the shattered Mjolnir. I like how you note that time travel brought the original hammer to a time years after Hela’s attack, and then declare that a hammer seen years after Hela’s attack is — either a new one or a reforged one? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/30 "2022-04-19T00:29:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > How many of them were mainstream Marvel universe? Off the top of my head, in the last 5 years or so: Thor Odinson, Lady Thor, War Thor (which was Volstagg for a time). ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/31 "2022-04-19T00:47:28Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I like how you note that time travel brought the original hammer to a time years after Hela’s attack, and then declare that a hammer seen years after Hela’s attack is — either a new one or one reforged out of shards? I mean they could introduce time travel again, but for what reason? Just to get hammer back? They could use the Multiverse, but that’s already being explored in other parts of the franchise. Thor’s hammer was destroyed in Norway and the Asgardian refugees are living right there. The more interesting story is to suggest that they gathered up the shards and reforged Mjolnir, maybe with the help of a friendly astrophysicist. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/32 "2022-04-19T00:55:28Z")
You can pretty clearly see the cracks in Mjolnir in the trailer, from where it was reforged. ETA: [Pic from trailer](https://preview.redd.it/0qsqx2wzwau81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=6e49e78effd6115a9e7826ed2153b9a054d1bb4b) Second ETA: Just realized that one’s been manipulated to give her Peacemaker’s helmet. [Here’s the actual trailer pic.](https://www.jeuxactu.com/datas/divers/c/i/cinema-et-jeux-video/vn/cinema-et-jeux-video-625d8862cb20e.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/33 "2022-04-19T01:06:57Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > When Jane wielded Mjolnir, she was typically referred to as Lady Thor, while the original was referred to as Thor Odinson. It’s been a while, but I don’t think that’s correct. IIRC, the book made a point that her name was “Thor,” not “She-Thor” or “Lady Thor.” Likewise, OC Thor straight up stopped calling himself that altogether, and started going just by “Odinson.” I didn’t mind Jane getting called Thor in-universe, despite it being some guy’s given name, and not a title. I’d expect the average person in the Marvel universe doesn’t have a real clear distinction which super heroes are using made up names, which are using some sort of title, and which are just using their given names, so when someone shows up with a magic hammer and little wings on their helmet, they just go, “Okay, new Thor.” But Thor Odinson not calling himself “Thor” any more really grated. Thor being so shook that he gives up his role as God of Thunder is one thing. Being so shook he gives up his _identity_ rang false, and made it feel like the writers had on some level forgotten that’s he’s a person, too. Minor criticism of a great comic, though, and hopefully something they’ll side step in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/34 "2022-04-19T01:09:08Z")
ninja’d `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/35 "2022-04-19T01:09:19Z")
The whiny baby-fans are going to go monkeypoo when they see Lady Thor if they weren’t aware of her before. I can’t wait for this and Multiverse of Madness. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/36 "2022-04-19T01:15:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It’s been a while, but I don’t think that’s correct. IIRC, the book made a point that her name was “Thor,” not “She-Thor” or “Lady Thor.” Likewise, OC Thor straight up stopped calling himself that altogether, and started going just by “Odinson.” Could well be; it’s been a few years since I read them, and I may be misremembering. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/37 "2022-04-19T01:25:29Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Steve returned Mjolnir along with the Infinity Stones to their original times and places. Weellll… We never saw him reinject Jane with the Whatever Stone, especially without her noticing, so it’s totally possible in a non-Multiverse way that the hammer of the God is intact (though as noted above, maybe not). I’m looking forward to this one because I hate the whole Multiverse thing. I hope they don’t shoehorn some in, or I may just give up on MCU all together. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/38 "2022-04-19T01:31:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You can pretty clearly see the cracks in Mjolnir in the trailer, from where it was reforged. There you go! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/39 "2022-04-19T04:52:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You can pretty clearly see the cracks in Mjolnir in the trailer, from where it was reforged. Yup, you sure can. Great catch. [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/ofatJMq.jpeg "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/ofatJMq) ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/40 "2022-04-19T10:11:25Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You can pretty clearly see the cracks in Mjolnir in the trailer, from where it was reforged. Baker, Abbot, and Marcaida are going to have a real problem with the incomplete weld. That hammer may not make it to the testing round. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008.md?page=3)