# Thor: Love and Thunder **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 18, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008 "2022-04-18T19:41:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/81 "2022-04-20T02:12:16Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Ragnorak is my favorite of the Phase 1-3 MCU movies. Everyone is on their A game and the dialog is amazing. I’m in complete agreement. Taika Waititi did a fantastic job, and was himself hilarious as well. To top it off, Ragnorak ends immediately before Infinity War begins, setting you up for 6 more hours of MCU fun. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/82 "2022-04-20T03:36:27Z")
No, not too obvious. **This** is too obvious. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ApxnAr6pRt0/hqdefault.jpg "Viking Kittens") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxnAr6pRt0) ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/83 "2022-04-20T11:05:04Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Yes, my understanding is that the “can’t pick up” part has always been part of the hammer, just the “power of Thor” is new. Things were a lot simpler when the directions were printed right on the hammer…in English! [![](https://everythingmarvel.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/uru-metal.jpg) ](https://everythingmarvel.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/uru-metal.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/84 "2022-04-20T12:56:43Z")
The thing about those directions is, they seem to imply that anybody could hold the hammer (“Whosoever”). Being worthy gets you the “Power of…THOR” (complete with dramatic pause!), but that power doesn’t necessarily mean holding the hammer. That was a separate clause in the sentence. Some of the very early issues of _Journey Into Mystery_ also implied that picking up the hammer was just a matter of being strong enough to lift it. The Destroyer was able to lift it, for example, which was a way to prove his badassity. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/85 "2022-04-20T12:59:17Z")
And I’d guess that Odin slipped in that _he’d_ always be able to lift it. He’s no dummy. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/86 "2022-04-20T14:50:13Z")
He definitely had admin privileges. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/87 "2022-04-20T14:57:42Z")
The original Sysop from Hel ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/88 "2022-04-20T18:10:33Z")
For what it’s worth, today the people behind the official Marvel Avengers video game announced Jane’s upcoming inclusion into the game, calling her _Jane Foster: The Mighty Thor_. > …it will introduce a new playable Hero for all platforms: Jane Foster: The Mighty Thor! Our Hero designs are driven first and foremost by their core comic book identities, so, as a fellow wielder of Mjolnir, her suite of abilities will have a lot in common with the Odinson’s, however she will also have elements that are distinctly Jane. More details on how Jane will come to life in our game will be coming in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/89 "2022-04-20T18:18:51Z")
One thing in the trailer I haven’t seen mentioned much is the apparent introduction of the Greek/Roman pantheon to the MCU. How do I feel about that? [![](https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/herc4.jpg) ](https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/herc4.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/90 "2022-04-20T18:23:14Z")
I thought we were collectively ignoring the Eternals? It is the worst Marvel movie since Thor 2 isn’t it? It doesn’t really need to be part of the MCU, or at least Earth Prime. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/91 "2022-04-20T18:30:54Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I thought we were collectively ignoring the Eternals? That’s not an Eternal, that Hercules. Literal Hercules, in exactly the same way Thor is literal Thor. And they’re _fantastic_ together. [![](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-282192ad3648de39d9d69baf25e0eb30-lq) ](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-282192ad3648de39d9d69baf25e0eb30-lq) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/92 "2022-04-20T18:32:25Z")
Sorry, I missed something. When was Herc introduced to the MCU? I thought you were talking about Theena. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/93 "2022-04-20T18:37:24Z")
He hasn’t been, but there’s a scene in the trailer for the new Thor movie featuring [someone who looks a heck of a lot like Zeus.](https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Zeus-rules-over-Olympus-in-Thor-Love-And-Thunder..jpeg?q=50&fit=crop&w=960&h=500&dpr=1.5) In the comics, the Greek pantheon serves mostly as a supporting cast for Hercules, so if they’re bringing in the Greek pantheon, odds are good it’s to setup introducing Hercules. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/94 "2022-04-20T18:38:47Z")
Ah, I didn’t notice the Zeus-like and didn’t realize Hercules was part of Marvel. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/95 "2022-04-20T18:40:25Z")
As a rule of thumb, any character that is in the public domain exists in both the Marvel and DC universes. DC has a Thor, Marvel has a Hercules, they’ve both got Dracula and Frankenstein. Any character where they didn’t have to pay royalties or give someone a creator credit got snapped up fast. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/96 "2022-04-20T18:42:17Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I didn’t notice the Zeus-like and didn’t realize Hercules was part of Marvel. In the books, Hercules is a semi-regular member of the Avengers. He’s usually even hammier, and even more of a “ladies’ man,” than Thor is. However, unlike Thor, he’s not been able to carry his own book for any length of time; there have been several limited-run Hercules books, but nothing that stuck around. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/97 "2022-04-20T18:42:39Z")
Makes sense. Good rule of thumb. So out of interest, Peter Pan and friends? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/98 "2022-04-20T18:45:01Z")
Little Mermaid! Paul Bunyon! Pecos Bill! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/99 "2022-04-20T19:02:51Z")
**There ought to be a law!** (Well, yeah, there is the law West of the Pecos, but still…) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/100 "2022-04-20T19:03:58Z")
Not in DC that I’m aware of, but, ironically, in the Marvel universe was actually the Eternal, Sprite: [![](https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Eternals-Sprite-Peter-Pan.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5) ](https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Eternals-Sprite-Peter-Pan.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5) Kinda surprised neither company tried more with Peter Pan, actually. 300 year old child returns to Earth from magical island, fights crime while learning about the real world. Sort of a Wonder Woman/Spider-Man mashup. > [@Jophiel](#): > > Little Mermaid! Paul Bunyon! Pecos Bill! Little Mermaid: [Marvel](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Little_Mermaid_(Ideaverse)) and [DC](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Little_Mermaid) Paul Bunyon: [Marvel](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Paul_Bunyan_(Earth-616)) and [DC](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Paul_Bunyan_(New_Earth)) Pecos Bill: [Marvel](https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=8502), but not DC that I can find. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008.md?page=6)