# Thor: Love and Thunder **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 18, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008 "2022-04-18T19:41:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/161 "2022-07-11T00:23:56Z")
I have not gotten around to watch that show (I only recently finished watching Moon Knight) so I would not have noticed it. I wonder if there is a site (or channel) somewhere that breaks down all the Marvel Logos. But maybe that is a discussion for a different thread. `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/162 "2022-07-11T01:24:50Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Maybe he’s just past his prime, like Zeus. “That boulder is too large. I could lift a smaller one.” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/163 "2022-07-13T00:13:34Z")
If somebody doesn’t make an animated GIF of the little Asgardian girl with the Killer Rabbit I will be very angry. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/164 "2022-07-13T00:21:34Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > My other takeaway was that the visuals were a lot better than Ragnarok. I enjoyed the movie except for some of the visuals. Some scenes were too dark, and I couldn’t tell what was going on. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/165 "2022-07-13T00:31:32Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I enjoyed the movie except for some of the visuals. Some scenes were too dark, and I couldn’t tell what was going on. Poorly projected? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/166 "2022-07-13T00:37:17Z")
No, I agree. There were some scenes, mostly in fighting the Shadow monsters, that could have been better lit. But hey, they’re shadows. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/167 "2022-07-13T19:55:57Z")
I loved it and was genuinely surprised how much I enjoyed it. Great movie, very fun. I didn’t find the humor invasive or over the top, though clearly Zeus’ tricks with his bolt went on a bit too long. Very fun. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/168 "2022-07-13T21:16:42Z")
Nitpick time: How in the Nine Realms did Jane make it to Valhalla? They specifically state earlier in the film that you have to die in **battle**. Jane was still alive when the fighting was over. Whyfor she get in? Huh? I can fanwank it easy enough, but somebody should have caught that. Unless it’s going to be a plot point in Thor 5. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/169 "2022-07-13T21:20:45Z")
One review I read suggested that she got to Valhalla for dying in a battle with cancer. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/170 "2022-07-13T21:28:24Z")
Then everybody gets in, because we’re all going to lose a battle with entropy. I did notice that she went all glittery like Odin did in the last movie. That has to mean something. Either she and Odin share something, or they used the same SFX company for this film.😛 ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/171 "2022-07-14T00:14:50Z")
The glitter was to show that she died was it not? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/172 "2022-07-14T00:26:01Z")
Of course. But nobody else went all glittery. And it wasn’t because they were in Eternity’s realm because Gorr just laid there like a slab of rapidly cooling meat. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/173 "2022-07-14T01:41:04Z")
Thor could have been wrong about that. Or maybe King Valkyrie stamped her ticket for her. Isn’t that what valkyries are supposed to do? Maybe it’s only without a valkyrie’s personal intervention that what Thor said is a requirement. Until Thor brought King Val back from Sakaar, they were presumed to all be dead, weren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/174 "2022-07-14T07:51:21Z")
I saw the film and thoroughly enjoyed it. The screaming goats killed me. I admit that I could not stand Jane Foster in the MCU. She was a block of wood that Thor kissed sometimes. I don’t blame Portman; I’ve seen her in great films and terrible ones. She generally is as good as the film allows her to be. Terrible in the Star Wars prequels, great in V for Vendetta. I thought she was **fantastic** in this film. She was an actual person. That shows great writing and direction. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/175 "2022-07-15T21:27:28Z")
My feeling is that Thor was wrong. If you die in battle, you die in battle. It doesn’t matter if you die instantly or you succumb to your wounds. So why did he say what he did to Sif? He saw she was checked out and fading, and wanted to motivate her to stay alive which he succeeded at. My head-canon, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/176 "2022-07-15T22:25:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I didn’t find the humor invasive or over the top, though clearly Zeus’ tricks with his bolt went on a bit too long. I would agree that Zeus’s portion felt like it needed to be longer or shorter. They introduce the planet of the gods as this major part of the whole plan, “We need to recruit as many of the gods as we can!” And then, they choose to go to one event, interrupt the fun, and run away without ever trying to talk to anyone directly. Within that, then, nearly the whole sequence was watching Russell Crowe trying to eat scenery but, somehow, not really succeed at it. (I’ve seen a news article saying that they couldn’t decide between having him do a Greek or a British accent for his scenes. My sense would be that he did neither, really, and the two sounded probably about the same.) I didn’t hate the scenes, but it did feel like they were banking on Crowe to sell it and he’s simply not the comedic tour de force that they would have needed. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/177 "2022-07-16T18:21:51Z")
I just got back from seeing it and I was pretty disappointed. I liked Ragnarok, but the humor here felt very forced. Lots of scenes did not push the story forward (the Matt Damon play (again) was cute but way too long.) Also, the Gorr part of the story, and the cancer part of the story didn’t really jibe with the humor. I had a thought (and almost certainly wrong…) but there were a number of parts of the story that seemed… odd. I mean the characters’ actions and their overall looks. The scene where Gorr gets the sword; the scene in the palace of the gods. I felt like maybe the _entire movie_ was being retold by Korg, with his special way of describing things. That would almost make it better for me. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/178 "2022-07-16T18:45:21Z")
Waititi says the initial cut was 4 hours long, so there is an entire movie worth of scenes left out. Be interesting to see what didn’t make it and how that would have shaped the narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/179 "2022-07-16T20:11:12Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > I felt like maybe the _entire movie_ was being retold by Korg, with his special way of describing things. That would almost make it better for me. I think this is right on; not only is Korg retelling the story, he’s mythologizing it for the kids he’s telling it to. The over the top fight scenes with the Guardians and against Zeus make a lot more sense through this lens. I thought the Gorr fights were much better done, though as noted upthread it was hard to distinguish the shadow monsters Gorr summoned when they were in the shadow realm. Loved the way Jane wielded Mjolnir with the pieces shooting through multiple enemies and reconstituting when it returned to her. Ragnorak is my favorite MCU film and this was a bit of a let down, though still a lot of fun. The pacing was very erratic. I’ve read where all the leads’ and the director’s kids were in the film as well as Hemsworth’s wife; it seems like Taika was just having a big party with this one and nobody was too concerned with constructing the best film they could. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008/180 "2022-07-16T20:33:15Z")
> [@Jack\_Burden](#): > > I’ve read where all the leads’ and the director’s kids were in the film as well as Hemsworth’s wife; I don’t hold that against them at all. The script called for a bunch of kids. Might as well cast some you are used to working with and can sign off on working extra hours if needed. I wish IMDB listed the kids with more than just “Asgardian child.” I want to follow the career (if any) of Floppy Rabbit Girl. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-love-and-thunder/963008.md?page=10)