# THOR: Ragnarok- Seen It!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 3, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574 "2017-11-03T03:58:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/143 "2017-11-13T02:29:46Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > In the last scene after the credits, where he is congratulating everyone on a successful revolution. As I remember, when Thor landed in that garbage dump, they asked if he was food or a fighter. So when the Grandmaster ended up there, I expected them to quickly decide that he was food. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/144 "2017-11-13T02:49:40Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Pip the Troll. The universe is a weirdly zany, slap-sticky place. Case closed. Pip was a sidekick, placed there for a bit of comic relief from Warlock’s angst-ridden drama. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/145 "2017-11-13T03:17:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Were there a lot of scantily clad women around him? I just saw it again last night, and I don’t recall any, although in fairness, when Jeff Goldblum’s on the screen, its hard to look at anything else. The only women I recall him interacting with were Val, and the woman who hates Val, and neither of them were scantily clad. > > Goldblum’s performance was camp, and camp has a long association in films as a code for “gay.” Between him, Val, and Hela, the film had a remarkably strong queer sensibility to it, even if there was no explicitly queer content. > [@D\_Odds](#): > > In the last scene after the credits, where he is congratulating everyone on a successful revolution. And in his first scene in the throne room. He had two scantily attired women sitting on the floor in front of his throne. I’m guessing it was a visual reference to Jabba the Hut and Leia. You can obviously come up with alternative explanations. But that’s exactly what people do when they don’t want to admit a character is gay. They’ll say things like _“Sure, we saw that woman she met at the bar the night before leaving her house the next morning. But that doesn’t mean she’s gay. They might have just spent the night talking about make-up or something.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/146 "2017-11-13T03:26:01Z")
There is a difference here in that queer people, in both real life and fiction, will take on heterosexual attributes as cover or to fit in, while heterosexual people have far less reason to put on queer sensibilities. Not very likely for the grandmaster, I’ll admit, but I also agree with Miller. The only way that performance could have been more camp was to have hired David Walliams to do it. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/147 "2017-11-13T04:41:55Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > As I remember, when Thor landed in that garbage dump, they asked if he was food or a fighter. So when the Grandmaster ended up there, I expected them to quickly decide that he was food. Actually, that was a different group that asked if Thor was food…remember what Valkyrie did to them? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/148 "2017-11-13T08:33:04Z")
Saw it this weekend. Loved it. I don’t know what else to say, it was all great from the cold (or not!) open to the end credits scenes. Loved the [totally Kirby armour stylings](https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/files.geekgirlauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Thor-Ragnarok-Trailer-1-1-1024x424.png) of Grandmaster’s troops. Like _GotG_, I loved how bright and colourful everything was. And the humour. And Korg. And Hela. And Valkyrie. And…all of it. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/149 "2017-11-13T18:21:49Z")
Liked it quite a lot. Marvel films have been knocking it out of the park visually with Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Dr Strange and now Thor:Ragnarok; so many spectacular environments and action sequences: Hulk versus Thor, the Valkyries versus Hela. I liked the lighter touch, though the comedy was hit and miss; e.g. didn’t much care for the Grandmaster character. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/150 "2017-11-13T22:52:48Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Many, if not most Americans see this as a big budget funny action movie. To many indigenous people this movie is strongly about [colonialism, trauma and Indigeneity.](http://endlessyarning.com/2017/11/12/thor-ragnarok-indigenous-film/)The film you see and the film I see are almost two very different things. When you see Korg you see a funny rock monster. When I see Korg I see and hear my mates: because this is how they talk, and these ridiculous things he says are the kind of ridiculous things we say to each other. This is an incredibly subversive film that is also a big dumb action adventure. It shouldn’t annoy you that I see something that you don’t see in a movie. What a cool insight. Thanks for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/151 "2017-11-13T23:36:17Z")
Just saw this on Friday. Definitely the best of the Thors, but nowhere near the “best of the MCU” as I have seen some write - certainly behind both Avengers, both Guardians, Spider-Man, the first Iron Man and the Captain Americas in my opinion. I thought Blanchett as Hela was appropriately menacing, probably the most so of any MCU villain since the Red Skull. I also thought her motivation sounded like a legitimate grievance. Thor really used his head a lot, not just his power. I liked the inclusion of a Kronan, as Kronans were the villains in Marvel’s very first Thor story. Also liked that the wolf Fenris was part of Ragnarok, shame the Midgard Serpent couldn’t also get involved. Did anyone but me think that Loki putting Odin in a nursing home on Earth may have been a reference to Douglas Adams’s “Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul”? I correctly guessed that one of the post-credits scenes was going to follow up on the Grandmaster, but did not see his final line coming - a riot! And I’m quite happy that the ending of this movie leads right into Avengers: Infinity War. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/152 "2017-11-13T23:52:18Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Did anyone but me think that Loki putting Odin in a nursing home on Earth may have been a reference to Douglas Adams’s “Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul”? I definitely thought of that too. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/153 "2017-11-14T02:14:33Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Also liked that the wolf Fenris was part of Ragnarok, shame the Midgard Serpent couldn’t also get involved. We did get a dragon at the beginning, though. When it grabbed Thor up in its mouth, I thought for sure we were about to get [this](http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/04/thor11.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/154 "2017-11-14T02:26:47Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Thor really used his head a lot, not just his power. I agree and I really liked that aspect of the movie. That to me was what made the climax great. Thor first tried to defeat Hela in a fight but that didn’t work. So he thought of a different way to defeat her by realizing he could win the fight by destroying Asgard (the location not the people). It was a major turnaround because up to that point he had seen his duty as defending Asgard, both the people and the location. This really was a situation when it was necessary to destroy the village in order to save it. And then, having figured out what he had to do, he figured out the means of doing it; bringing back an enemy he had already defeated and using that old enemy to defeat his current enemy. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/155 "2017-11-14T04:02:17Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > In the final battle scene on the rainbow bridge, Banner made the sacrifice of summoning the Hulk. Holy crap did I laugh though. That was probably the single most awful and yet funny at the same time scene in the entire movie. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/156 "2017-11-14T07:11:35Z")
Banner speculated that he might never make it back but I am pretty sure he was wrong and will be back in future films: Banner/Hulk will always offer more in dramatic and comedic possibilities than just having Hulk all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/157 "2017-11-14T16:17:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I agree and I really liked that aspect of the movie. That to me was what made the climax great. Thor first tried to defeat Hela in a fight but that didn’t work. So he thought of a different way to defeat her by realizing he could win the fight by destroying Asgard (the location not the people). It was a major turnaround because up to that point he had seen his duty as defending Asgard, both the people and the location. This really was a situation when it was necessary to destroy the village in order to save it. > > And then, having figured out what he had to do, he figured out the means of doing it; bringing back an enemy he had already defeated and using that old enemy to defeat his current enemy. Exactly. When I wrote way back when it was a very Thor solution to the problem, this was my thought process. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/158 "2017-11-14T16:27:09Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > Banner speculated that he might never make it back but I am pretty sure he was wrong and will be back in future films: Banner/Hulk will always offer more in dramatic and comedic possibilities than just having Hulk all the time. I’m guessing he won’t revert until late in Infinity War. There needs to be drama from Black Widow and the others realizing he’s stuck as the Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/159 "2017-11-14T17:11:00Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > Banner speculated that he might never make it back but I am pretty sure he was wrong and will be back in future films: Banner/Hulk will always offer more in dramatic and comedic possibilities than just having Hulk all the time. There are shots from the filming of _Infinity War_ showing Banner in the group, and since Ruffalo isn’t wearing a mo-cap suit in them it’s most likely he’ll be in the scene as Banner. So, yeah, Banner will be back. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/160 "2017-11-14T20:35:30Z")
For a movie that includes the death of Odin, the loss of Asgard and the destruction of Mjolnir, it was surprisingly upbeat and fun. I liked it. Nice to see Thor show his lighter side. The scene where he was trying to talk a reluctant, “What am I, chopped liver?” Bruce Banner into becoming the Hulk was a riot. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/161 "2017-11-14T21:54:39Z")
I imagine Thor has to somehow get his Hammer back in the Avengers right? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574/162 "2017-11-14T21:58:25Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I imagine Thor has to somehow get his Hammer back in the Avengers right? I’ve always been of the mind that Cap will pick up Mjolnir in some moment of crisis in Avengers 4/5, so hopefully it comes back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-ragnarok-seen-it/800574.md?page=9)