# Thor : the Dark World (spoilers are boxed) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 6, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276 "2013-11-06T21:55:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/101 "2013-11-17T00:32:51Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Both the director and Anthony Hopkins have been open about what that scene means, but I agree it is open ended as presented in the movie. > > Spoiler from not in the movie: > > The director and Anthony Hopkins both have said that Odin is dead and that Loki killed him. Additionally, Hopkins has said he doesn’t have any interest in doing any more of these. Ugh. [spoiler]That just really doesn’t work for me, and I’m pretty sure Tom Hiddleston wouldn’t like it. The whole thing about Loki is that he’s not-quite a bad guy and not-quite a good guy, but even at his worst he’d never try to kill his parents. And no matter what he claims, he absolutely thinks of Odin as his father. If they go down this road, Thor absolutely will kill him. A more reasonable option, on the other hand, is that Odin finally just died. He was already pushing the limits of Asgardian life and had to go into a healing trance before. He could easily be in one now, with Loki taking over in his absence (perhaps even with Odin’s blessing), so as to avoid risking attack from Surtur or more trouble from the Frost Giants. After the events of Thor 2, after all, Asgard might look a little weak after being directly attacked, and if Odin were to die in the aftermath it would be very bad. That said, I desperately want to see Odin in Thor 3. We seriously need him to have this scene: Odin: “For Asgard!” [Fires energy spear] Thor: "For Midgard! [Shoots lighting from Mjolnir] Loki: “For myself!” [ZZZZZZZZZottttttt!!!] [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/102 "2013-11-17T00:59:13Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Ugh. If it makes you feel any better, there is very strong reason to suspect that particular interview snippet (on the red carpet, with the director, talking more broadly about Loki’s character arc) was taken very much out of context, [SPOILER] as the “he” referred to in the conversation up until that point had been consistently LOKI, not Odin. If you listen to the entire conversation (which I cannot find at the moment, my apologies) it is much more clear that Alan is NOT referring to Odin when he makes that statement. He’s basically saying that “yes, we killed off Loki because we needed to for plot purposes, but we really wanted to use that last scene to make sure people knew that we didn’t REALLY kill him off.” Anthony Hopkins WANTS Odin to be dead, because he doesn’t want to do it anymore (and is not slated for any more Marvel films at this time), but both Kevin and Alan have consistently and specifically refused to directly answer the question of Odin’s fate at the end of the film. [/SPOILER] Kevin has specifically stated that he is purposefully keeping that information vague so there is more incentive to have a Thor 3. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/103 "2013-11-17T01:39:01Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > Kevin has specifically stated that he is purposefully keeping that information vague so there is more incentive to have a Thor 3. Plus, an important lesson from Iron Man 2 and Thor 2: they’re perfectly willing to swap out an actor between a movie and its sequel. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/104 "2013-11-17T02:49:22Z")
Awesome - thank you both. That’s very informative. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/105 "2013-11-17T03:11:05Z")
re: my last post Hulk, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/106 "2013-11-17T03:42:17Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > re: my last post > > Hulk, as well. To our great good fortune at least in that instance, as Ruffalo did excellent work in both aspects of the role. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/107 "2013-11-17T06:01:43Z")
So, if Anthony Hopkins won’t come back for Thor 3, who should replace him? I vote Brian Blessed. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/108 "2013-11-17T09:10:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, if Anthony Hopkins won’t come back for Thor 3, who should replace him? > > I vote Brian Blessed. Blessed’s a great actor but he’s gotten pretty stout. I say do a nod to the audience and give the role to Kenneth Branagh. (Yes, he’s only 52 but he can wear make-up.) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/109 "2013-11-17T09:20:08Z")
How about Michael Gambon? ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/110 "2013-11-17T16:19:12Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Blessed’s a great actor but he’s gotten pretty stout. > > I say do a nod to the audience and give the role to Kenneth Branagh. (Yes, he’s only 52 but he can wear make-up.) They’re pretty close to the same height, and that would be a great call-out to the audience. I’m pretty sure that Hemsworth and Hiddleston would love working with him also, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/111 "2013-11-17T16:28:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Blessed’s a great actor but he’s gotten pretty stout. > > I say do a nod to the audience and give the role to I honestly thought you were about to say _“Stan Lee.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/112 "2013-11-17T16:47:54Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I honestly thought you were about to say _“Stan Lee.”_ And after that, Branagh seemed like a pretty good idea. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/113 "2013-11-17T16:54:47Z")
Liam Neeson - he has experience as Zeus. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/114 "2013-11-17T17:08:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, if Anthony Hopkins won’t come back for Thor 3, who should replace him? > > I vote Brian Blessed. Is that what’s going on? Has Anthony Hopkins said that he doesn’t want to continue the role? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/115 "2013-11-17T17:11:30Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Is that what’s going on? Has Anthony Hopkins said that he doesn’t want to continue the role? Apparently. Sorry, I was responding to things posted in spoiler boxes. This thread was the first I’d heard that he wasn’t interested in a third movie. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/116 "2013-11-18T00:08:55Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Is that what’s going on? Has Anthony Hopkins said that he doesn’t want to continue the role? During the reporter scrimmage on the red carpet at the premiere, someone asked Hopkins what was up with Odin, and Hopkins pulled a face and said something spoilerish in a relieved tone of voice. In other interviews, he’s been obviously less than thrilled with the role. Finally, he isn’t (to my knowledge) signed for anything else with Marvel. So those three data-points say to me that he’s done. Perhaps they can offer him enough money or something to induce him to sign again, but honestly, under that much makeup and costume, they can make someone else look like him for a lot cheaper if he’s genuinely not interested in pursuing it any longer. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/117 "2013-11-18T01:29:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So, if Anthony Hopkins won’t come back for Thor 3, who should replace him? > > I vote Brian Blessed. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I say do a nod to the audience and give the role to Kenneth Branagh. (Yes, he’s only 52 but he can wear make-up.) > [@Alessan](#): > > How about Michael Gambon? > [@simster](#): > > Liam Neeson - he has experience as Zeus. How about Brian Cox? He was Hannibal Lecter _before_ Anthony Hopkins was Hannibal Lecter. Also, he’s played a Marvel character before- in _X2_. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/118 "2013-11-18T03:44:26Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Liam Neeson - he has experience as Zeus. But Blessed has experience _being_ a god. Or sounding like one. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/119 "2013-11-18T06:47:45Z")
Gaspard Ulliel - as young Odin. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Doom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Dr\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Doom)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276/120 "2013-11-19T19:05:08Z")
I enjoyed this movie. It’s basically doing the same thing Agents of Shield is doing: being a participating comic for the Infinity Gauntlet crossover series of Marvel screen ventures. So it was a comic book. Giant-Sized#1. [spoiler]Can’t say I’m too happy with Infinity Gems being changed to Infinity Stones, but I’ve learned that Hollywood has to do things Hollywood’s way, so I accept that certain elements will be altered. Awesome to see The Collector! I suppose it would be asking too much for Marvel to eventually make Thanos Quest. I would expect, at least, to see an appearance by the In-betweener in Guardians of the Galaxy. Or maybe it’s already known. I really don’t have much Google time lately.[/spoiler] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thor-the-dark-world-spoilers-are-boxed/673276.md?page=7)