Those antique oscillating fans... how did they get away with it?

Our fans had metal blades and none of us kids even got cut by the blades. Your fingers got a whack that pushed them back out. We even put fingers in on purpose to stop the fan quicker so we could move the fan to a new location. They were not so dangerous that they cut off or broke fingers leaving them piled to the right and left of you.

Its actually difficult to cut off a finger or toe. A fan? Probably not. A lawnmower? Yes. So even in the lax safety standards of the day, those fans were pretty safe.

As far as responsiblity and liability goes, well, I dont think much has changed other than the demand that the world be child-safe because the behavior of children cannot be controlled. I think thats a good assumption in life. Children are like little animals, we cannot berate the parents every time they act out. Even the best raised children do stupid things time to time. Its something of a minor miracle I have all my fingers, eyes, and toes.

There is much to be said that becoming a Darwin Award nominee is equivalent to pouring more chlorine into the human gene pool. Both are sadly needed today.

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Here’s a new concept for you, genius. How about if parents were to watch their kids carefully and try to eliminate any obvious safety hazards. A good parent will remove steak knives from a toddler’s place setting, blow out candles, and ask an employee to remove any other perceived dangers (e.g., exposed fan blades). It’s not enough to simply “watch your child and teach your child.”

Since the fans were at the table level, the mother could have just turned them off. Lecturing the Maitre’d that their entire restaurant decor was unsafe for baby, therefore needed to be totally redone, is a bit [french accent] l’Americanne!

You say that like it’s some sort of revelation/enlightening for all.

And yet, somehow, humanity survived for thousands and thousands of years.

Just wanted to say that these are not oscillating fans. They are…fans.

Your statements are sensible. If you take a child into an environment containing dangers you try to adjust the environment so that the child is safe. But reread Koxinga’s statement.

That goes beyond making adjustments for your child. That’s telling somebody else that they have to adjust their environment permanently in case you show up again.

Like Hampshire implied, dangerous places exist and you shouldn’t expect the rest of the world to actively accommodate the safety of your child.

This brings to mind the Mythbusters episode where the team tried to build a fan that would be able to cause major damage. They had to rig the fan to a souped-up engine and replace the fan blades with sharpened lawnmower blades before they even got to “chopping off body parts” damage.

So, really, the answer to this question is “because antique fans didn’t actually hurt anybody.” You’d be more likely to get hurt by getting a hernia by lifting the things…some of them weighed a ton.

Actually, I thought I was doing the manager a bit of a favor in warning her of a lawsuit risk; and I don’t care to think of any kids being hurt, whether mine or or someone who comes after me.

And in Taiwan, everyone brings their children in tow, everywhere. There’s no such thing as a designated child-free public space. And they like to let their kids run around, probably more so than most Americans or Europeans (though not as much as those bloody Mexicans :wink: )

This wasn’t “at a toddler’s place setting,” it was somewhere that the poster “went over” to, so it likely wasn’t at the table, and therefore not of much actual concern.

Sorry, but appears that Koxinga and McClure have very different memories of the event. Remind me again who was actually there?

But anyway, that’s not the point. My point is that it seems reasonable for parents to watch their children and try to keep them in a safe environment. I doubt that Koxinga returned to that same coffee shop with small children, which probably suits the manager just fine since I doubt he was trying to create a child-friendly ambiance.

ETA: I apologize for participating in the hijack. I’m done. Now back to discussing poorly designed fans…

Some humans survived. Not all did, and many of those who did got hurt. Personally, I prefer to live in a world where things are designed with an eye to safety, instead of a world where I have a good chance of ending up hurt or dead due to bad design.

Those are from the time when parents came equipped with common sense and children with discipline. As those went out of fashion, they started blocking the wind with hundreds of little bars.

I don’t disagree with you entirely, I just see it differently. Cars that explode after relatively minor accidents make you hurt or dead due to bad design. Fans you can stick your finger in make you hurt due to the user’s dumb behavior.

If you want to say that we should design everything in the world to eliminate any and all possibility of a user’s dumb behavior resulting in them getting hurt, well, that’s a different subject entirely, but it leads to a world I don’t want to live in.

Or if you trip while walking across the room and as you reflexively stick your arms out to break your fall, your hand goes into the fan blades. There are plenty of ways an intelligent user could injure himself on a bare fan. I don’t see the big deal - encasing the fan blades in a cage is a cheap solution that doesn’t significantly impede the function of the device.

I think some of us are forgetting that accidents happen. It’s not like someone will be looking at those spinning blades, and think, “Hmm… I wonder what would happen if I stick my fingers in there? Oh, I see now. I’m bleeding profusely. Shucks!”

Heck, old Uncle Carl could be describing his most fishing trip, explaining how he caught a fish thiiiiiis big, extending his arms, getting into the story, then before you know it, jamming his hand into the nearby fan. Is Uncle Carl a moron? Not necessarily. But is everyone a moron who’s ever sliced their finger in the kitchen?

I grew up around those kinds of fans and did in fact stick my fingers in them. It hurt. But I wasn’t injured. The front of the fan has the trailing edge of the blade so, unless you jam your hand in there as fast as you possibly can, it is extremely difficult to touch the leading and cutting edge of the fan blade.

The back side of the fan was a different story but the backside was lest dramatic as the front. The front had more noise and moving air. The back had much less of that.

So maybe those fans existed because most encounters with children happened on the noisy whooshing attractive but painful side (the side that is pointed in the direction of the rooms occupants) instead of the quieter but bloody side (the side that’s usually very close to a wall).

You can explain all day and night but the bottom line is that you wanted someone else to change their behavior so you won’t make sure your child sits and behaves. It would certainly take only a few seconds for a child to get up but not if the parent is watching the child and the child has learned that he is NOT to get up without permission.

Sorry but you have no point other than you have some entitlement issues to work through.