Those damn socialists want to turn America into venezuela!

I highly doubt you concluded that him bringing up the fact we have dozens of choices in shoes or deodorant to emphasize the moral problem of having children go hungyr in this country, in anyway implies government policies should reduce our shoe/deodorant choice. You’re a doper, I refuse to believe you’re that stupid, it’s much more likely you’re being purposefully intellectually dishonest here.

To that point of Bernies though, rule .303, if you have the means to do so, you have the obligation to act. No child should go hungry in the most wealthy country in human history. We have so many markets that we have thousands of choices in the brand of a product we buy. Yet, we don’t have the resources to make sure no child in America is struggling to get a single meal a day. That’s a moral problem, the same problem with having people starving and homeless, while having multi-billionaires exist.

(Also don’t link washington post in your snipershots, they force people to pay a subscription fee to see their articles which most people aren’t subscribed to the washington post)

This is a warning for personal insults. Calling someone stupid, or accusing them of lying are both prohibited in this forum.

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This is a trifecta of nonsense - essentially spam. Knock it off.

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You have a tendency to personalize your comments in a way that is inappropriate for this forum. I’ve tried notes, but that doesn’t seem to be working so this is a warning for personal insults.

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An interest in helping people who need it is not a bad thing. People whined about Social Security yet I doubt anyone eligible for it says "NO! I won’t take it-it’s socialism!!! Making sure everyone has access to healthcare is not a socialist idea-it’s a human decency idea. That is why many countries adopt such policies. But medical care is not “free”-it has to be paid for in higher taxes and I think that is worth additional taxes.

Sorry, but I disagree. I think he’s old in his thinking and what he’s proposing, and I don’t like him as a candidate. Of course, if he’s the one nominated I will, again, hold my nose and try and keep my gag reflex in check and vote for him if my choices are him or Trump, but he’s not my favorite candidate by any stretch. He’s actually my least favorite. And it has nothing to do with him supposedly being (or thinking he is) a socialist. He’s just the lesser of two weevils between him and the Trumpster fire.

Wallstreet speculation tax. Bad?

Expanding social security. Bad?

Raising Minimum wage. Bad?

Medicare for all. Bad?

Maybe… maybe you LIKE actual criminals facing no consequences and getting bailed out using our tax dollars, maybe you like the fact wages have stagnated and fed minimum wage has remained the same since 2009. Maybe you like the fact politician pull money out of people who spent 50 years working to help aid people with disabilities and vice versa. Maybe you like having a privatized healthcare where theres no transparency with drug manufacturers and BPMs and then drug prices that we subsidized the R&D for with our tax dollars get inflated and we purchase them at 500-1000% the cost of over seas, maybe you like the government killing manufacturing competition by making production more expensive so a handful of pharma companies can act as a monopoly. Maybe you like having 20 doctors try to figure out whether ur insurance plan will cover treatment, maybe u like the fact 600,000 americans go bankrupt each year due to medical debts. Maybe you like the fact the middleclass is now the working class, maybe you like the fact we have gross wealth inequality in the United States.

Maybe… just maybe… and if that’s the case then I guess theres nothing that will change your mind. But, if you actually do care about these issues, then why not Bernie. If nuclear power was you’re only concern, then maybe come down to South Carolina and pay for it yourself instead of making me pay for something that’ll never get built. But aside from that, how can you honestly in all good faith say voting bernie is a lesser of two evils? He’s the only candidate with actual new ideas on the table and not half assed measures like a public option. We have a very serious issue of mass shootings in America, ignoring guns per capita correlation, the 2nd strongest correlation in gun violence is social welfare. Which directly ties into someones quality of life. As the average American struggles more and more, you’ll see more of it. You’ll see more political narratives reacting to the shootings and people wanting to ban guns, arm teachers, whatever it is. At the end of the day, we have people like Biden who want to play middle ground even on things like “video games cause mass shootings”. You want to keep playing centrist, keep letting Republicans cuck the democratic party, then you’re going to see more and more shit like mass shootings. If this was strictly to do with you having some kind of profit motive to not support Bernie, then you should consider the fact a bunch of angry peasants with shit ton of guns is a very scary thing. So you might want to reconsider your position on all these proposals that directly help the average american. Because if this shit keeps going on and wealth inequality keeps getting worse, I promise you this country will be like something out of a movie. Mass shootings every other day, everyone and their mother committing suicide, and millions of people dying from preventable deaths. All of this ties into the average lives of the average person.

Venezuela failed because of corruption, US sanctions and a reliance on a commodity for it’s income. Commodities are at the whim of the market so when the price crashed the Ponzi scheme that was came crashing down with it.

A failure to invest it’s revenues like Norway etc and failure to keep infrastructure up are also big reasons.

It is to simple to say socialism killed the country.

And today, Venezuela issued a travel advisory to it’s citizens, with regard to the danger US gun violence presents for travellers.

Let THAT sink in.

That is a joke.

*Homicide data
Venezuela is currently among the countries with the highest murder rates in the world.[25][26] Recently, the murder rate in Venezuela is the subject of some dispute according to the Associated Press, since Bolivarian government slowly denied access to homicide statistics.[27] A non-governmental organization known as the Venezuelan Violence Observatory (OVV), which collects crime data from seven different universities around the country, provides data of homicide rates in Venezuela.[25]

In 2010, The New York Times stated that according to news reports, data from human rights groups, such as the OVV’s statistics, may actually be undercounting the number of those murdered in Venezuela.[28] According to the Venezuelan non-governmental organization PROVEA, unlike other NGOs, the Venezuelan government excludes homicide data that includes fighting or police related deaths in its murder rate statistics.[26][29] PROVEA figures provided in the UN’s 2014 Global Homicide Book put Venezuela’s homicide rate at 53.7 murders per 100,000 inhabitants in 2012, closer to the Venezuelan government’s 2012 estimate,[27] but still the second highest peacetime murder rate in the world after Honduras (estimated at 90.4).[30][31]

The OVV puts the homicide rate for 2013 at approximately 79 per 100,000[25] and the murder rate in the capital Caracas at 122 per 100,000 residents.[3]… According to the World Bank, the 2016 homicide rate was 56 per 100,000, making Venezuela third in the world, after El Salvador and Honduras.[35] OVV data has 23,047 homicides committed in Venezuela in 2018, a rate of 81.4 per 100,000 people, with the decline being attributed to emigration.[35] …

By 2018, Venezuela’s murder rate–described as the highest in the world–had begun to decrease according to the OVV, with the organization stating that this downward trend was due to the millions of Venezuelans that emigrated from the country at the time.[37] The U.S. Bureau o**f Diplomatic Security stated that there were 73 daily violent deaths in 2018.*