# Those moments when you find out your heroes are human after all **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 10, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627 "2022-04-10T19:28:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2022, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/21 "2022-04-13T15:25:31Z")
Toni Collette killed my father. I still like her movies though. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/22 "2022-04-13T16:14:27Z")
which of these is/was your hero? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/23 "2022-04-13T17:14:46Z")
> [@Hatchie](#): > > Toni Collette killed my father Huh?? ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/24 "2022-04-14T14:49:23Z")
> [@XOldiesJock](#): > > these others show the fallacy of becoming too attached to people who have neatly-crafted public images. You’re bound to be disappointed when you discover that they are all too human, with failings just like anyone. This brings to mind all the televangelists who ended up embroiled in sex scandals–Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker particularly. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/25 "2022-04-14T14:53:49Z")
Turns out Charles Lindbergh was a polygamist with families on different continents. It’s now being claimed he may also have been involved in his son’s kidnapping. Oh, yeah. There’s that Nazi sympathizer thing too. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/26 "2022-04-14T15:53:10Z")
This is turning out to be a lot more darkerer than i intended… Michael Brecker only fluffed a note ! ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/27 "2022-04-16T16:07:45Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > When Lee Majors started doing hearing aid commercials, I was shocked at how frail he looked. Huh, he played Ash’s dad in the fairly recent series ‘Ash vs. Evil Dead’ (it ran 2015-2018), and I thought he was looking pretty well-preserved and spry for his age. Maybe he took a turn for the worse in recent years. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/28 "2022-04-16T16:35:21Z")
Just a few weeks ago, I enjoyed several hours reading quotes in IMDB from about ten films and plays written by David Mamet, and remembering many scenes I’d loved in several of his movies. I just discovered today, in a NY Times article (sorry if paywalled), that he’s become a Trumpian, teacher-hating asswad. > **[As Mamet Returns to Broadway, His Claims on Pedophilia Get Spotlight](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/13/theater/david-mamet-broadway.html?smid=url-share)** > > The playwright fueled outrage with his claim on Fox News that teachers were “inclined” to pedophilia as he promoted a new book that decries “the Left’s anti-Trump psychosis.” ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/29 "2022-04-16T16:56:10Z")
> [@solost](#): > > Huh, he played Ash’s dad in the fairly recent series ‘Ash vs. Evil Dead’ (it ran 2015-2018), and I thought he was looking pretty well-preserved and spry for his age. Maybe he took a turn for the worse in recent years. That’s where I saw him most recently and I thought he looked a bit frail as well. Part of that is because I hadn’t seen him in a number of years and it was probably an old rerun of _The Fall Guy_ when I last saw him. I had a similar reaction to seeing Harrison Ford in the latest Indian Jones movie. I hadn’t seen him in anything recent in a number of years and had just watched _Blade Runner_ the year before. These aren’t character flaws of course. But it was a stark reminder that none of them are getting any younger and they’re not going to be around forever. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/30 "2022-04-16T17:07:24Z")
Wow! Never would have guessed him but now that I think about it Mametspeak is very similar to the Republican conservative style of spewing nonsense. His daughter is co-starring with Kaley Cuoco in The Flight Attendant. Her character has to express a lot of frustration with Kaley’s frenetic incomprehensible character, I can see how she has her own experiences to draw from. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/31 "2022-04-16T17:25:48Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Charles Lindbergh When was he your hero? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/32 "2022-04-16T17:45:57Z")
Aviators have always been among my heroes, along with explorers, scientists, and inventors. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/33 "2022-04-16T18:51:14Z")
> [@solost](#): > > > [@mbh](#): > > > > When Lee Majors started doing hearing aid commercials, I was shocked at how frail he looked. > > Huh, he played Ash’s dad… and I thought he was looking pretty well-preserved and spry for his age. I have a theory… :: ahem :: When Lee Majors (or any older actor) is cast in a movie, they have months to work out, eat right, get in shape… usually with a personal trainer (and sometimes funded by the movie studio). When an older actor is cast in a commercial… for reverse mortgages or Medicare Advantage plans (lookin’ at you, Joe)… they just roll out of their recliner and into a studio. And if it’s an advert for hearing aids, looking like the target demographic isn’t that bad. Come on, with the low budgets of those commercials, no one’s going to take the care or the time to make them look good. . I think we’re in an era where a LOT of our movie stars and musicians are getting old and dying. It used to be, they’d do that out of the public eye, now they’re still touring and getting on camera. And it can be tough to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/34 "2022-04-16T19:06:09Z")
> [@XOldiesJock](#): > > **Eric Clapton.** A major fan of ol’ Slowhand since the Yardbirds, I can no longer enjoy his music without his recent anti-vax rants and his racism seeping in. I never knew such ugly thoughts lurked beneath all that talent. I learned only recently that the 70’s Rock Against Racism concerts were in large part initiated by Clapton’s nasty [racist rants at a 1976 concert.](https://www.bet.com/article/swy9cc/eric-clapton-s-racist-rant-resurfaces) > [@](#): > > When asked what he thought of the comments now, he said, I think it’s funny actually." Yeah, all chuckles, asshole. > [@Hatchie](#): > > Toni Collette killed my father. I still like her movies though. Yeah, I hate that. Laura Dern shivved mine. My most revered magican was having a slightly off-day here: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/HYp_3On1hWU/hqdefault.jpg "Gob and the coffin trick") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYp_3On1hWU&t=27) These heros? Have _never_ let me down… [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fhx-0JYVaXw/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCOADEOgC8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-BIAC4AOKAgwIABABGHIgOShXMA8=&rs=AOn4CLCu33dfc3HIRVhsi7Wgc6oQJuqloA "The Mighty Heroes -The Time Eraser 1967") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhx-0JYVaXw&t=69) Not a hero, but a gigantic disappointment: Lance Armstrong. (yeah, I realise he wasn’t the only doper cyclist, but still, though) Al Franken. (that being said, I’m gonna be the outlier by hoping he gets back in the fray again - the D’s could use some mojo, which he provided more than most) > [@terentii](#): > > Turns out Charles Lindbergh was a polygamist with families on different continents. It’s now being claimed he may also have been involved in his son’s kidnapping. > > Oh, yeah. There’s that Nazi sympathizer thing too Regularly, and unprovoked, he thrashed at his dog, simply as a keeping-him-in-line, remember-who-your-master-is, sorta thing. (Possibly a more common thing back then?) (One of my homesteading grandmothers apparently used to do that with her dog) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/35 "2022-04-16T19:43:02Z")
Yeah, I guess he wasn’t exactly the way Jimmy Stewart portrayed him in _ **The Spirit of St Louis** _. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/36 "2022-04-16T19:53:25Z")
At a young age I thought Lindbergh was incredibly heroic and really cool too. Of course he looked, spoke, and acted like Jimmy Stewart. Why else would he be so greatly admired by people? Yup, reality sucks. It really does. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/37 "2022-04-16T19:58:04Z")
For me, Lindbergh was right up there with the likes of Eddie Rickenbacker, Butch O’Hare, and Neil Armstrong. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/38 "2022-04-17T14:13:15Z")
There’s a state park not far from me that’s on the land of the former Edsel Ford vacation retreat. The main cabin burned down in the late ‘90s, but the foundation and stone fireplace remain, and there are plaques and markers commemorating the history of the place. One plaque says that visitors included Charles Lindbergh and Thomas Edison, as well as Henry Sr. himself. I’ve often hiked to the top of the hill where the cabin was, stood by the fireplace and imagined that trio of assholes (Lindbergh, Edison and Ford) sitting around the fire talking. What awful things may have been discussed there? To be a fly on the wall, with a time machine, or something. ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/39 "2022-04-17T14:20:17Z")
FDR was my hero for many years. Only recently did I learn he invited the 1936 Olympic team to the White House but did not invite Jesse Owens because of his color. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627/40 "2022-04-17T14:22:42Z")
> [@peedin](#): > > FDR was my hero for many years. Only recently did I learn he invited the 1936 Olympic team to the White House but did not invite Jesse Owens because of his color So … FDR was ashamed to be _white_ ? I _did not_ know that. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-moments-when-you-find-out-your-heroes-are-human-after-all/962627.md?page=3)