# Those poor little dears at the GOP can't handle much, can they? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2007, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961 "2007-02-05T18:45:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/21 "2007-02-05T22:55:04Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] It’s gonna be a fun campaign. [/QUOTE] Absolutely. At least through the primary season, it should be the best in years, on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2007, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/22 "2007-02-05T23:02:00Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Exactly. That was the point of the Pitting. [/quote] OK. > [@](#): > > Fineman is, IMHO, a media whore who is quite willing to pass along the GOP spin of the day. Wow, you live in a different universe than I do. I see him interviewed all the time and, if anything, he’s an anti-Bush crusader. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/23 "2007-02-06T00:56:03Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] Yup, his vote giving Bush a blank check on Iraq is everybody else’s fault (including the Clinton Administration). I haven’t heard of Edwards having the guts to lead a funding cutoff to block the “surge”. [/QUOTE] [That’s](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16903253/page/2/) [really,](http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8N0HCE01.html) [really](http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/1/23/234034/680) [not](http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4041) [true](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/28/AR2006122800251.html). ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/24 "2007-02-06T01:49:19Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Wow, you live in a different universe than I do. I see him interviewed all the time and, if anything, he’s an anti-Bush crusader. [/QUOTE] Sorry, I can only go by what I see in print. Other than football, I don’t watch TV. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/25 "2007-02-06T02:21:13Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] They consider this sequence of rather innocuous statements an “Agenda Of Aggression And Attacks.” And the first one, they say he’s “Lashing Out.” IOW, they’re putting a thermometer in a pot of lukewarm water and screaming that the pot is boiling. Like I said, the poor dears had better stay away from actual heat sources. [/QUOTE] That’s hardly a new tactic. When former president Clinton answered accusations that he ignored Osama, what was the response from the right? [Bill Clinton Has a Hissy fit!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=389656&) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/26 "2007-02-06T10:58:25Z")
[Here](http://sadlyno.com/archives/5017.html). The backstory is that blogger Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon got hired by the John Edwards campaign the other day. Malkin’s obviously rummaged through Marcotte’s old Pandagon posts to find something that will portray Marcotte, and as a consequence the Edwards campaign, in a bad light. But Malkin apparently doesn’t understand how this works. If you’re trying to make someone _else_ look bad by reading their words, the way to do this is by either a normal or a mildly ironic delivery, and let the words themselves do most of the work: if they’re really that bad, they can carry the load. By going apeshit in her reading of Marcotte’s old posts, Malkin…well, click through and judge for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/27 "2007-02-06T12:25:43Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Yeah, I know: if I say you’re a mass murderer, I’m neither right nor wrong; it’s all very subjective. It’s all just spin, and everybody does it. [/QUOTE] Just to be sure someone didn’t use your login, are you the same person who complained about “putting a thermometer in a pot of lukewarm water and screaming that the pot is boiling”? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/28 "2007-02-06T13:43:08Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Just to be sure someone didn’t use your login, are you the same person who complained about “putting a thermometer in a pot of lukewarm water and screaming that the pot is boiling”? [/QUOTE] Hey, if you want to call yourself “a pot of lukewarm water,” who am I to blow against the wind? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/29 "2007-02-06T15:11:40Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Hey, if you want to call yourself “a pot of lukewarm water,” who am I to blow against the wind? 😃 [/QUOTE] I usually call myself an ugly bag of mostly water, but pot of lukewarm water will do. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/30 "2007-02-06T15:43:40Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Carrot] [That’s](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16903253/page/2/) [really,](http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8N0HCE01.html) [really](http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/1/23/234034/680) [not](http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4041) [true](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/28/AR2006122800251.html). [/QUOTE] O.K. I hadn’t heard he was recommending against funding the additional troops. Undoubtedly that is easier than if he actually had to cast such a vote. I like the juxtaposition of these quotes from Edwards: “I take full responsibility for what I did, I should be held accountable for that, but I do think it matters when you’re willing to be open and honest with voters about what you’ve done.” “\* went back to former Clinton administration officials who gave me sort of independent information about what they believed about what was happening with Saddam’s weapons programs. They were also wrong. And based on that, I made the wrong judgment…I will say [Sen. Obama] wasn’t burdened like a lot of us with the information that we were receiving [regarding Iraq] on the intelligence committee and as members of the United States Senate.” Translated: It’s other people’s fault I gave Bush’s people a blank check to conduct an undeclared war. Others are to blame, but I take “full responsibility”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/31 "2007-02-06T16:09:59Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] By going apeshit in her reading of Marcotte’s old posts, Malkin…well, click through and judge for yourself. [/QUOTE] Checked out the video. Such theater is not really my cup of tea, either, but I don’t see what point you’re trying to make with it. I do think the result is effective. She used Marcotte’s own words to show the type of person she is. That seems perfectly legitimate. And you characterizing Malkin as “going apeshit” brings your own judgement into question. She was having fun with it, giving a read with intenionally exaggerated passion. She was even laughing at the end of the video in the out takes. I never understood why Malkin is so despised by some on the left. Coulter I can see. Malkin? Don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/32 "2007-02-06T16:44:01Z")
Coulter is pretty much in a category all by herself, but Maulkin isn’t liked probably because she’s basically a partisan hack who plays fast and lose with the facts and is a favorite guest on O’Reilly. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/33 "2007-02-06T19:57:32Z")
[QUOTE=wring] Tim Russert is your idea of a RL troll? [/QUOTE] that was probably extreme, although I don’t particularly care for him. It was a poorly phrased question, murky in its intent (to give him the benefit of the doubt), but if Edwards had fallen for it, would have been Big News. Edwards side stepped. It’s the conservative media that are trying to make this bigger than it is. This is why I don’t watch pundits much–there is so much posturing and outright mudslinging etc, it’s more theater than politics. I like theater in the theater, not running the country or trying to. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/34 "2007-02-06T20:18:56Z")
Exactly what doe “RL troll” mean? Real Life? Republican Lite? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/35 "2007-02-06T20:37:35Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] Exactly what doe “RL troll” mean? Real Life? Republican Lite? [/QUOTE] Sorry, it means “real life”. Russert strikes me as Republican Lite, but that doesn’t mean he can’t get a decent interview out of a Democrat or out of Rep, come to that. I just didn’t care for his questions/phrasing in the Edwards interview. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/36 "2007-02-06T22:05:02Z")
Russert is definitely an equal opportunity sweat maker. If you’ve ever said anything on the topic, no matter who you are, he will make you watch it and explain yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/37 "2007-02-06T22:32:37Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] By going apeshit in her reading of Marcotte’s old posts, Malkin…well, click through and judge for yourself. [/QUOTE] You call that apeshit? I was expecting hair pulling and bodice ripping. Instead I get bad acting. Congrats. You’ve just committed the same sin that you are pitting the RNC for–making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, not bad with the mute on… Why is the RNC commenting on the Democratic primaries anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/38 "2007-02-07T00:02:02Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Russert is definitely an equal opportunity sweat maker. If you’ve ever said anything on the topic, no matter who you are, he will make you watch it and explain yourself. [/QUOTE] I really don’t think this is correct, and clearly Cheney didn’t think that Russert was a tough sell, according to documents revealed during the Libby trial. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/39 "2007-02-07T00:04:50Z")
[QUOTE=Wolfian] Why is the RNC commenting on the Democratic primaries anyway? [/QUOTE] The more mud that gets spread around in the primaries, the easier it is for the other party in the general election. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2007, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961/40 "2007-02-07T00:05:37Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] Russert is definitely an equal opportunity sweat maker. If you’ve ever said anything on the topic, no matter who you are, he will make you watch it and explain yourself. [/QUOTE] I will give him another try, but to me, he seems to go easy on the Reps (easier, anyway). I haven’t really watched him, so I’ll pay more attention now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-poor-little-dears-at-the-gop-cant-handle-much-can-they/390961.md?page=3)