# Those who shall be, forever mocked

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [April 8, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351 "2009-04-08T03:11:52Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\
**Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/61 "2009-04-10T22:31:01Z")

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> [@Locrian](#):
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> Aaaaand as a Philadelphian and Urban Legend research collaborator, Jerry Panacoli has been on the E! Network since that rumor started. His son, David Boreanaz (star of Angel) has been pretty successful too. Even MORE rumor says that the Gerbil theory was generated by his local network after he signed with E! network.
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> So, no forgiveness to the Philadelphians who believe anything. Why do ya think I moved?

yeah. Dave Roberts is David Boreanz’s father.  
And Roz from Frasier is Jim Obrien’s daughter.  
And, that particular Penacoli rumor existed long before he left Channel 3. I always thought of it as a school yard thing - we called the hamsters “Jerry’s Kids”. So, I doubt it was started by them.

Penacoli has been all over the place since leaving Philly. I think he was on a couple of LA stations as well. I am pretty sure he is on EXTRA now. So, that goofy rumor affected him about as much as it affected Richard Gere.

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**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/62 "2009-04-11T01:35:36Z")

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Around here, people who misuse commas in the titles of OPs. You’ll want to watch that. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/63 "2009-04-11T03:09:41Z")

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I put that there on purpose. I did it to add a pause to make the title sound a little more dramatic. The only other way I can think of to do that would be "Those who shall be… forever mocked, " but that doesn’t look good either. I guess it didn’t have the desired effect. Oh well.

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**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/64 "2009-04-11T04:43:07Z")

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It had the desired effect for me.

Unfortunately, the pause before the word “forever” was enough to get Rod Stewart’s “Forever Young” stuck in my head. Damn and Blast.

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**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/65 "2009-04-11T06:05:36Z")

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Why? That’s not a bad song.

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**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/66 "2009-04-11T09:23:54Z")

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Ozzy and the bat.

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**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/67 "2009-04-11T11:57:49Z")

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How has name George W Bush not come up yet? Seriously! He is the worst joke the world has seen in recent memory.

America (sadly) will have to live with his name for a long, long time.

(Aussies will NEVER be able to live down the under arm bowling incident though! There is always a Kiwi waiting to remind you!)

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**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/68 "2009-04-11T12:44:51Z")

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Simmerdown (post #50) was way ahead of you. Of course, his post was one of sheer brevity, so I suppose overlooking it is understandable.

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**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/69 "2009-04-11T12:46:24Z")

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Stupid slow hamsters.:mad:

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/70 "2009-04-11T13:47:56Z")

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Anita Bryant  
Woody Allen

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**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/71 "2009-04-11T22:24:39Z")

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- Mike Tyson for his voice

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**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/72 "2009-04-11T23:08:32Z")

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> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#):
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> Ozzy and the bat.

I know that he’ll always be remembered for that, but I never realized that he’s been mocked for it for all these years.

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/73 "2009-04-11T23:39:58Z")

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> [@calm\_kiwi](#):
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> How has name George W Bush not come up yet? Seriously! He is the worst joke the world has seen in recent memory.

That’s because there’s no single fuckup he will be noted for. All his misdoings were equally over the top. It’s the otherwise unremarkable or supposedly unflawed people who will be forever condemned for one single thing that makes people point and mock, whether it actually happened or not.

So tell me, what’s this underarm bowling you Down Unders are talking about?

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**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\
**Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/74 "2009-04-11T23:54:44Z")

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> [@LionelHutz405](#):
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> Montreal mayor Jean Drapeau:
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> “The Olympics can no more lose money than a man can have a baby.”

At least one person plausibly identified as male [has had a baby](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy), so M. Drapeau is sort of off the hook:

> [@](#):
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> Some transmen (female-to-male transgender people) who interrupt hormone treatments can become pregnant, while still identifying and living as male. This is possible for individuals who still have functioning ovaries. Although these individuals have XX chromosomes, from the standpoint of gender identity they are pregnant men.
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> For example, Matt Rice bore a child in 1999 by artificial insemination during his relationship with writer Patrick Califia. Thomas Beatie, who chose to become pregnant because his wife was infertile, wrote an article about his pregnancy in The Advocate. The Washington Post further broadened the story on March 25 when blogger Emil Steiner called Beatie’s pregnancy the first “legal” male pregnancy on record, in reference to the state of Oregon recognizing Beatie as male. He gave birth to a girl in 2008.

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**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/75 "2009-04-12T00:08:49Z")

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> [@Morbo](#):
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> The [news reporter](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q64qvkVtXd0) in the canoe paddling through “flood waters.”

Classic.

Here in Toronto, former mayor Mel Lastman will forever be remembered for [calling out the army to deal with the results of a heavy snowfall](http://www.thestar.com/Article/569281). Even today, if we’re talking about the weather and there’s snow in the offing, and I’ve mentioned at some point that I’m from Toronto, someone will bring this up.

[sub]Mind you, we did have an _awful_ lot of snow, and regular ambulances couldn’t get through the streets for a time, and the army’s Bison armoured vehicles could, so it actually made sense for a couple of days, but that’s not how it’s remembered…[/sub]

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**Author:** ![Peanuthead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peanuthead/32/360_2.png) [@Peanuthead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanuthead)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/76 "2009-04-12T00:13:49Z")

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Michael “Kramer” Richards.

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**Author:** ![mecaenas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/91b2a8/32.png) [@mecaenas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mecaenas)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/77 "2009-04-12T12:12:41Z")

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> [@Sunspace](#):
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> At least one person plausibly identified as male [has had a baby](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy), so M. Drapeau is sort of off the hook:

Given that the saying is based on the biological definition of a man, I don’t think a politically correct emotional definition of a man invalids that kind of statement.

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**Author:** ![Varrius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e9a140/32.png) [@Varrius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Varrius)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/78 "2009-04-12T13:18:29Z")

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> [@calm\_kiwi](#):
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> How has name George W Bush not come up yet? Seriously! He is the worst joke the world has seen in recent memory.
> 
> America (sadly) will have to live with his name for a long, long time.

I disagree with your first statement. Unfortunately, I have to agree with your second statement because people like you will always be around.

::::moving the rest of my reply to the BBQ Pit::::::

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/79 "2009-04-12T15:05:08Z")

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[Douglas “Wrong Way” Corrigan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Corrigan), who thought he was flying from Brooklyn, NY to Long Beach, CA . . . until he landed in Ireland.

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**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\
**Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/80 "2009-04-12T15:17:44Z")

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> [@calm\_kiwi](#):
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> (Aussies will NEVER be able to live down the under arm bowling incident though! There is always a Kiwi waiting to remind you!)

Not necessarily- I was born & raised in NZ and this thread is the first I’ve heard of the incident being mentioned as an “embarrassment” that someone is still trying to live down. It was 28 years ago. Most people don’t care anymore- in fact, I don’t think the incident is that well known to most people who aren’t huge cricket fans. I’m only vaguely aware that it happened and there was a bit of a brohaha about it at the time, but I’ve never heard it brought up in conversation as a “Yeah, well, at least we didn’t bowl underarm during the 1981 Test Series!” countepoint to an argument type thing.

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