# Those who shall be, forever mocked **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 8, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351 "2009-04-08T03:11:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/81 "2009-04-12T16:19:19Z")
> [@Sunspace](#): > > [sub]Mind you, we did have an _awful_ lot of snow, and regular ambulances couldn’t get through the streets for a time, and the army’s Bison armoured vehicles could, so it actually made sense for a couple of days, but that’s not how it’s remembered…[/sub] I read that as bison powered, and had a hilarious mental picture going until I reread your statement. ---
**Author:** ![Dusty\_Rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ba8739/32.png) [@Dusty\_Rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dusty_Rose)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/82 "2009-04-12T16:32:17Z")
Sally Field’s ‘you really like me" was the first thing I thought of. Second was Barbara Walters’ “If you could be a tree, what kind would you be?” question to Katherine Hepburn. ---
**Author:** ![Shamozzle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shamozzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shamozzle)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/83 "2009-04-12T17:48:34Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Not necessarily- I was born & raised in NZ and this thread is the first I’ve heard of the incident being mentioned as an “embarrassment” that someone is still trying to live down. It was 28 years ago. Most people don’t care anymore- in fact, I don’t think the incident is that well known to most people who aren’t huge cricket fans. I’m only vaguely aware that it happened and there was a bit of a brohaha about it at the time, but I’ve never heard it brought up in conversation as a “Yeah, well, at least we didn’t bowl underarm during the 1981 Test Series!” countepoint to an argument type thing. Can someone explain the controversy for me? I watched the 10 minute clip on YouTube in an effort to understand what happened and I still don’t get it. You’ll have to dumb it down for me as I know zero about cricket. ---
**Author:** ![MacSpon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@MacSpon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacSpon)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/84 "2009-04-12T20:46:45Z")
> [@scifisam2009](#): > > I know that, you know that, lots of people on here and elsewhere (especially in Germany) know that, but JFK is still mocked for the supposed mistake. Perhaps they’re the ones who should be “forever mocked”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/85 "2009-04-12T21:01:58Z")
> [@Varrius](#): > > I disagree with your first statement. Wow, our very own 23%er. > [@Varrius](#): > > Unfortunately, I have to agree with your second statement because people like you will always be around. What, people like most of the country (and the world) who are embarrassed that he was elected President twice with such a shitty record? ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/86 "2009-04-12T22:30:47Z")
> [@Shamozzle](#): > > Can someone explain the controversy for me? I watched the 10 minute clip on YouTube in an effort to understand what happened and I still don’t get it. You’ll have to dumb it down for me as I know zero about cricket. The style of cricket they were playing is called “limited overs”, wherein the match is limited to a certain number of “overs” (six balls) per innings (which is the singular), with each team batting once. In this case, each team faces 50 overs, or 300 balls. Australia had already batted their 50 overs, and was now bowling to New Zealand. After 299 balls, New Zealand was within 6 runs. 6 runs is more or less the maximum you can score on a single ball in cricket (I suppose with spectacularly bad fielding or throwing one could score more, but it’s rather extremely unlikely). In order to score 6, the batsman must hit the ball over the boundary (limit of the field, which is a large oval) on the fly. In order for this to happen, the ball has to have a certain amount of height on it, since cricket bats are not golf clubs. So, not wanting to give up a tie, Australia rolled the ball along the ground to guarantee the win. It was technically legal, but considered unsporting. Because of this incident, underarm bowling is no longer allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Mann\_Slaughter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@Mann\_Slaughter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mann_Slaughter)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/87 "2009-04-12T23:13:52Z")
[Miss Teen USA 2007 - Miss South Carolina](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww&NR) You didn’t REALLY think Sarah Palin started it all, did you? ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/88 "2009-04-13T00:19:06Z")
> [@Mann\_Slaughter](#): > > [Miss Teen USA 2007 - Miss South Carolina](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww&NR) > > You didn’t REALLY think Sarah Palin started it all, did you? Psst…post 49… ---
**Author:** ![Shamozzle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shamozzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shamozzle)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/89 "2009-04-13T01:35:02Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > The style of cricket they were playing is called “limited overs”, wherein the match is limited to a certain number of “overs” (six balls) per innings (which is the singular), with each team batting once. In this case, each team faces 50 overs, or 300 balls. Australia had already batted their 50 overs, and was now bowling to New Zealand. After 299 balls, New Zealand was within 6 runs. 6 runs is more or less the maximum you can score on a single ball in cricket (I suppose with spectacularly bad fielding or throwing one could score more, but it’s rather extremely unlikely). In order to score 6, the batsman must hit the ball over the boundary (limit of the field, which is a large oval) on the fly. In order for this to happen, the ball has to have a certain amount of height on it, since cricket bats are not golf clubs. So, not wanting to give up a tie, Australia rolled the ball along the ground to guarantee the win. It was technically legal, but considered unsporting. > > Because of this incident, underarm bowling is no longer allowed. Ah, I see. Thanks very much. ---
**Author:** ![Mann\_Slaughter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@Mann\_Slaughter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mann_Slaughter)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/90 "2009-04-13T01:52:49Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Psst…post 49… Sorry. I didn’t know her name. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/91 "2009-04-13T02:56:23Z")
> [@Duck\_Quack\_s\_Echo](#): > > Australia bowled an underarm delivery for the last ball of the final over in a One Day International against New Zealand. Just not cricket, old boy. And I’m an Aussie. So what was wrong with that? I saw the video but I know nothing about the sport. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/92 "2009-04-13T02:59:51Z")
> [@tr0psn4j](#): > > So what was wrong with that? I saw the video but I know nothing about the sport. Read about two posts further upthread… ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/93 "2009-04-13T03:16:54Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Read about two posts further upthread… Oh there we go. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/94 "2009-04-13T04:11:18Z")
Garfunkel, just for not being Simon. Same with Oates not being Hall. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Brother\_Walker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f08c70/32.png) [@Uncle\_Brother\_Walker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Brother_Walker)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/95 "2009-04-13T07:39:57Z")
Thanksgiving Day. Leon Lett. Dallas vs. Miami. 1993. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2kcpTmheM4) Keep an ear out at 1:40 of the video. _It’s the same guy!_ ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/96 "2009-04-13T08:10:05Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Garfunkel, just for not being Simon. Same with Oates not being Hall. Ok, then, Ringo Starr. ---
**Author:** ![DKW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dkw/32/3118_2.png) [@DKW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DKW)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/97 "2009-04-13T08:34:41Z")
Based on the recent Masters thread, I have to say Jan Van De Velde. And the incredible thing about this is that nobody knows anything whatsoever about the guy that WON. Of course, not accomplishing anything of note afterward may have something to do with it… As for some of the other choices: You really don’t hear much about Bill Buckner anymore. The curse is over, the Red Sox have become just another big-spending powerhouse, and really, who keeps up with baseball lore these days anyway? Furthermore, any kids today who wanted to know why he was such a huge deal would have to actually watch that fateful game 6, or at least the fateful 9th inning in its entirety, and then they’d wonder why no one ever says a damn thing about the dope who threw the wild pitch that brought in the tying run. The last time I saw someone mock Sally Fields was on an episode of Tiny Toon Adventures. Without video reinforcement, the current generation just doesn’t know. Appleciders, I wouldn’t worry. The Internet has seen an unholy flood of unfunny, pointless, ridiculous, banal, insipid, absolutely-no-point-whatsoever-in-this-universe memes that somehow spread like a rash. Ridiculous, but they do die out over time. (See “All your base are belong to us.” anywhere lately?) Rick rolling looked like it would be a plague on our message boards for years, but let’s face it, there’s only so much mileage you can get out of one lame “made you look” gag, no matter how much Internet-fueled denial you may have. Maybe if _all_ his music videos were permitted, it would have more longevity, but you know how inflexible these things are. Dan Quayle’s woes, spelling or otherwise, ended the when his term did. Besides, “potatoe” is a perfectly legitimate, albeit archaic spelling; someone even wrote to Marylin Savant in Parade to point this out, for crying out loud. Re. Jean Drapeau - You know, somehow, I think the fact that the city got saddled with such a huge burden would tend to dwarf any blustery predictions made over whether or not said debt would exist. At least I _hope_ so. As for Caitlin Upton, I don’t know how much flack she’s still taking for it (Miss Teen USA isn’t exactly the Super Bowl); for now, I’d just like to say that if you put _anyone_ up on a stage, under the hot lights, with thousands of eyes on them, and ask a difficult question which they haven’t ever given much thought to, and they had to come up with an answer IMMEDIATELY…one shot, full speed, no backsies…there’s a pretty good chance that the results would be less than stellar. Shoot, _I_ don’t have the slightest freakin’ idea why so many Americans can’t find their country on a map. (I do think it’s pretty lame, but that’s generally not the kind of sentiment beauty pageant contestants are at liberty to divulge.) Baldwin - That one is, sadly, right on the money. You’d be amazed at how many idiots there are. Remember when French’s Mustard actually had to run a full page ad proclaiming that they weren’t a French company after sales plummeted? Not so long ago, either. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/98 "2009-04-13T09:08:03Z")
> [@DKW](#): > > / > > As for Caitlin Upton, I don’t know how much flack she’s still taking for it (Miss Teen USA isn’t exactly the Super Bowl); for now, I’d just like to say that if you put _anyone_ up on a stage, under the hot lights, with thousands of eyes on them, and ask a difficult question which they haven’t ever given much thought to, and they had to come up with an answer IMMEDIATELY…one shot, full speed, no backsies…there’s a pretty good chance that the results would be less than stellar. Shoot, _I_ don’t have the slightest freakin’ idea why so many Americans can’t find their country on a map. (I do think it’s pretty lame, but that’s generally not the kind of sentiment beauty pageant contestants are at liberty to divulge.) She’s doin’ fine. According to Wiki, she’s actually an honor student, believe it or not, and has signed with Trump for modeling gigs paying up to $30,000 a day. [Here’s a Google page full of modeling pics.](http://images.google.com/images?as_q=&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=caitlin+upton&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgtype=&imgsz=&imgw=&imgh=&as_filetype=&imgc=&as_sitesearch=&safe=off&as_st=y) ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/99 "2009-04-13T12:30:11Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Not necessarily- I was born & raised in NZ and this thread is the first I’ve heard of the incident being mentioned as an “embarrassment” that someone is still trying to live down. It was 28 years ago. Most people don’t care anymore- in fact, I don’t think the incident is that well known to most people who aren’t huge cricket fans. I’m only vaguely aware that it happened and there was a bit of a brohaha about it at the time, but I’ve never heard it brought up in conversation as a “Yeah, well, at least we didn’t bowl underarm during the 1981 Test Series!” countepoint to an argument type thing. Hey **Martini** I don’t know how old you are but I’m early 40’s. To my dad’s generation anyone who cheated was called “a bloody under armer”. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2009, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351/100 "2009-04-13T12:33:02Z")
> [@calm\_kiwi](#): > > Hey **Martini** I don’t know how old you are but I’m early 40’s. To my dad’s generation anyone who cheated was called “a bloody under armer”. I’m 27, and admittedly I’m not a big fan of sports in general. No-one in my immediate family is or was, which might have something to do with it. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-shall-be-forever-mocked/492351.md?page=6)