# Those who think Muslims aren't Americans **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188 "2010-01-08T18:54:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/61 "2010-01-08T21:31:54Z")
> [@Brad\_the\_Impaler](#): > > I don’t remember the last time I posted, but this is the best Pit thread I’ve seen in a long time. Meh, but at least I can pride myself in having OTIO’d before anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/62 "2010-01-08T21:33:51Z")
Haha Thank you OP and thanks all for participating in this thread and sending me off for the weekend with a barrel full of laughter. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/63 "2010-01-08T21:39:49Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > The foot thing is hard to explain as it is real stupid, but they really have a fear of standing on religious stuff voluntarily, like where they had option not to, and in my idea they had the option not to. Many of the beliefs Christianity holds are stupid to the unfaithful too, for example being willing to sacrifice one’s life instead of denying Christ as the son of God. But I bet you don’t see it that way. And giving Muslims the option not to step on the Koran at the expense of missing their flight and wasting their hard-earned cash is extremely stupid to anybody who isn’t a fucking bigot. > [@](#): > > Sort of like how we revered the torn flag from the twin towers and sent it around to be seen, normally a defaced flag is immediately destroyed, see the difference now? Those korans on the flight are like that flag to us. That flag was not defaced, it was “still there” much like the flag Francis Scott Key wrote about. The flag from Fort McHenry, torn and riddled with holes, is still flown today. > [@](#): > > Oh and I know I use the term moslem and if they do not like it, goodie. I don’t want to show respect. What, do you think that’s somehow patriotic? Benjamin Franklin not only advocated that Muslims be allowed to openly practice their faith, but he believed they should be allowed to teach Islam in the same public forum as Christians. You are a bigot, buddy: don’t expect your idiot opinions to be well-received here. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/64 "2010-01-08T21:40:47Z")
> [@Brad\_the\_Impaler](#): > > I don’t remember the last time I posted, but this is the best Pit thread I’ve seen in a long time. Sir, would you please step out of line and into the full body scanner. ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8dc957/32.png) [@Brad\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brad_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/65 "2010-01-08T21:43:00Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Sir, would you please step out of line and into the full body scanner. I’ll take the line with the beer, pork and strippers, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/66 "2010-01-08T21:43:28Z")
Captain, just how do you know they get real degrees legit like you state? That is quite a power you have there to just know this about all of them. I am not mad at anyone and just came here to defend my position, and did so. The only thing unfair is this thread title, I never said anything remotely like that. I still think this would work temporarily while we get better explosive smelling devices. The hindu guy verified for you that people in this part of world have a foot fear disrespect thing, thanks. I feel it is a good stopgap measure to use that, not the total solution. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/67 "2010-01-08T21:50:33Z")
> [@Mr.Krebbs](#): > > The flag from Fort McHenry, torn and riddled with holes, is still flown today. Sorry, that is factually incorrect. It’s actually just on display. A flag with 15 stars is flown in its honor, however. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/68 "2010-01-08T21:51:57Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The word is Muslim, not “Moslem,” just FYI. “Moslem” is a legitimate, if somewhat archaic, alternate spelling of “Muslim.” That said, I’m pretty sure **Silverstreak Wonder** is an idiot, or a troll, or possibly both. But I’m leaning towards pure idiot. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/69 "2010-01-08T22:02:11Z")
I don’t know which option would make this more wondrous, if Silverstreak is a troll, or if he’s serious. > [@Mr.Krebbs](#): > > That flag was not defaced, it was “still there” much like the flag Francis Scott Key wrote about. The flag from Fort McHenry, torn and riddled with holes, is still flown today. \Francis Scott Key is pretty much the only alumnus of my college whose name may be recognized outside of academic circles. What most of us are most proud of, though is the dude who created MacGyver is also an alumnus. Mr. Key may have written a mediocre song about a busted-up flag; the guy whose name I can’t recall invented fucking _MacGyver_. Who I’m sure (for the sake of making this post vaguely relevant) would come up with a far more impressive way of finding terrorists than “step on this book.” ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/70 "2010-01-08T22:03:28Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > And, I have no doubt that any of the 9/11 terrorists, for instance, would have been perfectly willing to step on a copy of the Qu’ran or something like that. IIRC at least some of them went to a strip club in Vegas beforehand as well. **Silverstreak Wonder** ’s idea fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/71 "2010-01-08T22:08:07Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > I still think this would work temporarily while we get better explosive smelling devices. > > The hindu guy verified for you that people in this part of world have a foot fear disrespect thing, thanks. I feel it is a good stopgap measure to use that, not the total solution. Oh god, I can’t believe I’m responding to this guy but: 1. You do realize that your incredibly stupid proposal is completely discriminatory and would be the subject of a zillion lawsuits inside of about ten seconds of its implementation, right? There is no way it would work “temporarily” because it would be tied up in courts for years before it was ruled illegal. 2. Where is “this part of the world”? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/72 "2010-01-08T22:09:14Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > Mr. Key may have written a mediocre song about a busted-up flag[…] Although you probably know this, Key wrote a poem, not a song. I am not a fan of America in its current state (and this fact has absolutely nothing to do with President Obama), I think it is a good poem. The tune is mediocre, I’ll grant you that, but Key had fuck all to do with the music. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/73 "2010-01-08T22:10:09Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > Captain, just how do you know they get real degrees legit like you state? That is quite a power you have there to just know this about all of them. Well, how do you know they don’t? What’s your basis for assuming that jihadists are stupid? ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/74 "2010-01-08T22:12:13Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Well, how do you know they don’t? What’s your basis for assuming that jihadists are stupid? Because they are Muslims and they won’t step on books and they hate our freedoms. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/75 "2010-01-08T22:15:17Z")
Krebs, when did I ever say any moslems would miss their flight or lose their money, or should? I didn’t. Again the choice is either way they get searched, the other way the rest of us do too. Sure Ben Franklin probably did. They were not at war with us then. Now they are. I am sure he would not have blasted Germany and Japan either but would indeed have a different opinion during WW2, don’t ya think? What I said about damaged flags is true, they are destroyed unless in some battle or something, which would be just like korans in battle for moslems. My correct point was that kind of damage during a battle is not considered defacing it, and neither are our flags in a battle seen as shameful, but just the opposite, put on display. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/76 "2010-01-08T22:17:57Z")
> [@Valgard](#): > > IIRC at least some of them went to a strip club in Vegas beforehand as well. > > **Silverstreak Wonder** ’s idea fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down. So, I’ve been wondering about this strip club thing. At least one recent report calls it into question: [http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/great\_terrorism\_urban\_legends.php](http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/great_terrorism_urban_legends.php) ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/77 "2010-01-08T22:21:21Z")
Captain, How do I know jihadists are not smart? Does that really need an answer…The other guy answered it real well already, but I might add, they blow themselves up, is that ever going to be a sign of intelligence? Dahhhhh… ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/78 "2010-01-08T22:29:27Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > I don’t know which option would make this more wondrous, if Silverstreak is a troll, or if he’s serious. > \Francis Scott Key is pretty much the only alumnus of my college whose name may be recognized outside of academic circles. What most of us are most proud of, though is the dude who created MacGyver is also an alumnus. Mr. Key may have written a mediocre song about a busted-up flag; the guy whose name I can’t recall invented fucking _MacGyver_. > > Who I’m sure (for the sake of making this post vaguely relevant) would come up with a far more impressive way of finding terrorists than “step on this book.” Dear MacGyver, Enclosed is a paper clip, a rubber band, and a drinking straw. Please save my dog. Signed, Peter Griffin ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/79 "2010-01-08T22:30:17Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > … that would not be defacing the koran for it to be destroyed, just as I am sure many were at the twin towers. … Soooo, you’ve really got no clue just how many Korans\* were or weren’t destroyed or just who it was that owned them do you, Moran? CMC fnord! \*With apologies to **Kyla**. For fucks sake dude haven’t you gotten to the point in English class where they teach ya that [proper names/nouns](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_names#Proper_nouns_and_common_nouns) get CAPITALIZED? It’s The Twin Towers **silverstreak wonder**. ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/80 "2010-01-08T22:31:27Z")
Tel ,the strip club and all that drinking, they are dealing with non moslems to destroy them so they can do most anything including stuff a sin if they were in a moslem country. In other words it is a sin only if the others were moslem too and doing it. That is a bit different when it is them deciding to step on a koran, when there is another choice available. Yes in time they probably would be told that is ok too, but it would take time. By then we’d have better explosive detectors and all that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188.md?page=5)