# Those who think Muslims aren't Americans **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 8, 2010, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188 "2010-01-08T18:54:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/81 "2010-01-08T22:34:01Z")
crow, interesting that your own name is not capitalized, isn’t it then??? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/82 "2010-01-08T22:35:30Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > Krebs, when did I ever say any moslems would miss their flight or lose their money, or should? I didn’t. Again the choice is either way they get searched, the other way the rest of us do too. You’re correct; I misinterpreted your opinion. However, considering the case of the most recent attempted bombing, Muslims who didn’t step on the Koran would have to be subjected to a strip-search. This is a violation of privacy. > [@](#): > > Sure Ben Franklin probably did. They were not at war with us then. Now they are. I am sure he would not have blasted Germany and Japan either but would indeed have a different opinion during WW2, don’t ya think? The US didn’t exactly have good relations with the Barbary States before Franklin died; he never redacted his opinion. Our country even tried to negotiate with the Islamic states in 1785, sending Jefferson and Adams. We later went to war with those Muslims, because they demanded more than the US was willing to offer. As a country, America did not exhibit prejudice towards Muslims until recently. > [@](#): > > What I said about damaged flags is true, they are destroyed unless in some battle or something, which would be just like korans in battle for moslems. My correct point was that kind of damage during a battle is not considered defacing it, and neither are our flags in a battle seen as shameful, but just the opposite, put on display. Stepping on the Koran would definitely be considered defacing it, especially for Muslims having to witness the event. Whether Muslim terrorists would see it that way is irrelevant, but you’re right: it probably would not stop them from doing what they see as necessary. So, you advocate discriminating against non-violent Muslims. That’s just great. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/83 "2010-01-08T22:45:41Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > Captain, How do I know jihadists are not smart? Does that really need an answer…The other guy answered it real well already, but I might add, they blow themselves up, is that ever going to be a sign of intelligence? Dahhhhh… The other guy who answered it did so sarcastically. As to your point, I’d say that willingness to blow yourself up is more a sign of fanaticism than stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/84 "2010-01-08T22:48:55Z")
Krebs, exactly the idea, so that they would not step on it and get searched instead. Yes, I fully support violating the “privacy” of any group saying they want to destroy us. It would be fair, as any group saying that would then be searched, not JUST these folks, but for right now they seem the only ones doing stuff. But it would be a policy for anyone attacking us, not just them. I noticed above crow called me on english and capitalization, then called me a moran, what is a moran anyway? I think it might be mis-spelled…hmmmm…the pit is a funny funny place. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/85 "2010-01-08T22:50:15Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > crow, interesting that your own name is not capitalized, isn’t it then??? Must remember not to give anything to the morans to comment on instead of dealing with the actual question being asked in the important part of the post, above the CMC. :smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: CMC fnord! Look **Silverstreak Wonder** , shiny! Fuck me sideways, did it again. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/86 "2010-01-08T22:51:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Kyla;]Oh god, I can’t believe I’m responding to this guy but: > > 1. You do realize that your incredibly stupid proposal is completely discriminatory and would be the subject of a zillion lawsuits inside of about ten seconds of its implementation, right? There is no way it would work “temporarily” because it would be tied up in courts for years before it was ruled illegal. Well, duhhh, you just dissolve these anti-American courts, and declare the proposal valid! QED! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/87 "2010-01-08T22:51:43Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > Krebs, exactly the idea, so that they would not step on it and get searched instead. Yes, I fully support violating the “privacy” of any group saying they want to destroy us. It would be fair, as any group saying that would then be searched, not JUST these folks, but for right now they seem the only ones doing stuff. But it would be a policy for anyone attacking us, not just them. So why not preemptively search anyone who looks remotely Arab, by race or dress? It makes a hell of a lot more sense - if one believes as you apparently do - than your suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/88 "2010-01-08T22:59:40Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > Tel ,the strip club and all that drinking, they are dealing with non moslems to destroy them so they can do most anything including stuff a sin if they were in a moslem country. In other words it is a sin only if the others were moslem too and doing it. How do you know those strip bars didn’t have Korans being used as welcome mats? I bet they did, but since they were in a non-Mooslum country, they could wipe their feet and proceed to the lap dances. ---
**Author:** ![manila](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@manila](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manila)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/89 "2010-01-08T23:00:19Z")
How about Riverdancing on the Qur’an while juggling a bottle of vodka, bacon sandwich and a small framed photograph of Dick Cheney? You need sequentially take a swig of the juice a bite of the pig and kiss the bacon sandwich as they rotate around your head? That’ll git 'er done Alternatively how about this? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0MXU3J6Qbs](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0MXU3J6Qbs) (sfw) ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/90 "2010-01-08T23:08:22Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > \*With apologies to **Kyla** No apologies necessary. I think that’s the tradition transliteration, and there’s no problem using it. Then someone decided Qur’an was a better or more accurate transliteration, which, okay that’s fine, except that it seems like no one can figure out where the apostrophe goes. I’ve seen it wrong in published work (including _The Demon-Haunted World_, where Carl Sagan and his editors got it wrong every single time). If you can’t figure out where the apostrophe - which is where it is for a reason - goes, just spell it Koran. /cranky rant ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/91 "2010-01-08T23:08:24Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > … what is a moran anyway? … [Moran](http://moronswithsigns.blogspot.com/2009/09/morans.html). CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/92 "2010-01-08T23:14:27Z")
Krebs, thanks, that is more like it. Yeah, I’d consider that. But it would still be nice to just have the devout moslem as there are so many less to search through. If they do get told it is ok to step on it, then your suggestion is indeed a good fallback if needed. Anything to reduce the need to search people you know are not doing bombings is better than searching everyone. Oh, and are not ALL searches pre-emptive? Not much good to search them after it goes off, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Krebbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5fc32e/32.png) [@Mr.Krebbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Krebbs)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/93 "2010-01-08T23:15:59Z")
I meant preemptive as in before having to step on the Koran itself, or the Koran floor mat idea. But once again, you’re a bigot and an idiot. ETA: I’m still curious if you think the beliefs of Christians are any more stupid than those of Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/94 "2010-01-08T23:30:09Z")
crow, I went to the impeccable all knowing Wiki and even to dictionary com and Google and had no moran, so I mean that is just got to be the final word. I am a bit shaky to try your link, perhaps others who don’t like my views could please try it first? You all can report to me what it says, how is that? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/95 "2010-01-08T23:33:15Z")
Besides the illegality and the general stupidity of this idea, it wouldn’t even WORK. Even if you could get all Muslims to step on the Qur’an to prove whatever, terrorists [aren’t so dumb that they can’t figure out a workaround.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nezar_Hindawi) (This kind of shit is why I always had so much trouble with airport security in Israel. I’m blonde and blue-eyed. It was only when my language skills were good enough that I could be interrogated in Hebrew that they stopped being so suspicious of me.) ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/96 "2010-01-08T23:37:40Z")
Krebs, well at least maybe I am not a moran to you, so thanks. What do I think about Christian beliefs? Well that do unto others as you want done unto you is just one hell of a lot better than jihad, forced slavery for women, child marriages, women not allowed to drive or attend school and on and on. Oh, and there is nothing about it that weakens my argument either. If I was in a country my kind of people were at war with, yes I would expect to be watched closely and searched if not treated a lot worse than that, in fact I would expect to be asked to leave, fast. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/97 "2010-01-08T23:42:14Z")
[This](http://news.softpedia.com/news/What-is-ergodicity-15686.shtml) is a pretty good read for people who are not **Silverstreak Wonder**. It might help shed some additional light about why this suggestion is completely nonsensical. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/98 "2010-01-08T23:48:48Z")
God, you’re so dumb it’s painful for me to witness. I’m gonna go do something else now. ETA: Not Maeglin. He isn’t dumb at all. ---
**Author:** ![Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silverstreak_Wonder)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/99 "2010-01-08T23:48:54Z")
Kyla, yes they would find a work around, I said earlier this would only work for a while till we got better explosive detectors, I agree it is just something to do today that would reduce searching everyone. As stated above, we could go to wider profiling once these mullah idiots put out that this is ok, but you may find it would not be that fast, this foot thing is pretty ingrown in them all. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188/100 "2010-01-08T23:51:07Z")
> [@Silverstreak\_Wonder](#): > > … I am a bit shaky to try your link, … Got a problem clicking a link huh? :dubious: You must be a terrorist then! :eek: Off to Gitmo with you. ☹ CMC fnord! BTW Google had no hits for moran? Really? First hit [Googleing](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=moran) [moran](http://www.google.com/search?q=moran&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a), Get A Brain Morans - Funny Picture View a picture of a pro-war demonstrator holding up a sign that reads 'Get a Brain Morans. [politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-moran.htm](http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-moran.htm) - Cached - Similar When will they learn not to challenge my Google-fu? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-think-muslims-arent-americans/524188.md?page=6)