# Those who voted for low-flow toilets must be punished! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032 "2004-05-07T16:22:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/21 "2004-05-07T23:18:06Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > Here you can see a listing of several, along with others: > > [http://www.americanstandard-us.com/ProductThumb.asp?prodcatID=3&brandID=1,2,3](http://www.americanstandard-us.com/ProductThumb.asp?prodcatID=3&brandID=1,2,3) > > Here, you can see a video of it in action: > > [http://www.flushmate.com/SeeItWork/default.asp](http://www.flushmate.com/SeeItWork/default.asp) > > There are many different manufacturers who make PA toilets. You can get them at Home Depot, Lowe’s, etc. They sometimes have to be ordered, however, as they typically keep very few in stock. I can’t believe I willingly clicked on a link to see a toilet flushing. Not only once did I see a toilet flush, I also willingly looked at the _second_ video of the toilet flushing. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Tenar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@Tenar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tenar)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/22 "2004-05-07T23:38:19Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > No way…as a medievalist, THIS is what I need=) > [http://www.homeclick.com/showpage.asp?itemid=4038](http://www.homeclick.com/showpage.asp?itemid=4038) > where a persons home is their castle and this is perfect for the throne room! That thing is WONDERFUL! I didn’t know toilets like that existed outside “The Sims.” Note to self: Add singing medieval poetic toilet to Lotto Fantasy List. On a different note – what is the advantage of the oblong toilet bowl? Less urine splash for men? More room for the fat butted? I’m not kidding – I really don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/23 "2004-05-07T23:46:05Z")
One word on the pressure assist toilets. The one we have at work is LOUD. It would wake up everyone in the house. Sure does work though. Aren’t there toilets that have different flush capacities for a #1 and a #2? Makes much more sense. I have my own well and septic system. I live way out in the sticks in the Rocky Mountains. I have springs popping up everywhere in my yard. Yet, because of the way water rights are, I can’t legally wash my car or water a lawn (If I had a lawn). It’s done for a reason, and the west really is facing water problems…But. It is my well, it is on my property. The water is under my property. What really, REALLY cheeses me off is the people putting Kentucky Blue in their yards in Denver are demanding more water. Water from where I live. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/24 "2004-05-08T00:02:30Z")
> [@Tenar](#): > > On a different note – what is the advantage of the oblong toilet bowl? Less urine splash for men? More room for the fat butted? I’m not kidding – I really don’t know. I’m a big guy. But not fat. The long bowl is great. When I sit down for #2, it makes it a lot easier to pee as well. I will never deal with a short bowl again. It’s funny, when I was dating my to-be wife, I was also remodeling my house (still am, it never ends) Anyway, when she went with me to go toilet shopping, I knew she was the one. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/25 "2004-05-08T00:13:43Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > Here you can see a listing of several, along with others: > > [http://www.americanstandard-us.com/ProductThumb.asp?prodcatID=3&brandID=1,2,3](http://www.americanstandard-us.com/ProductThumb.asp?prodcatID=3&brandID=1,2,3) > > Here, you can see a video of it in action: > > [http://www.flushmate.com/SeeItWork/default.asp](http://www.flushmate.com/SeeItWork/default.asp) > > There are many different manufacturers who make PA toilets. You can get them at Home Depot, Lowe’s, etc. They sometimes have to be ordered, however, as they typically keep very few in stock. Oh, that second link sold me! Thank you **Una**! No Home Depot oe Lowe’s here yet, so online ordering if Menard’s doesn’t carry it. But, seriously, that is _exactly_ the kind of shitter I’m looking for. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/26 "2004-05-08T00:14:19Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Aren’t there toilets that have different flush capacities for a #1 and a #2? Makes much more sense. The only place I’ve seen these is Europe, particularly in hotels with wall-mounted toilets. There’s a “flush panel” on the wall, about 6" by 9", divided one-third/two-thirds. Hit the smaller section of the panel, you get a small flush, hit the large section, get the big flush. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/27 "2004-05-08T00:39:18Z")
The solution is simple: Smuggle in a new toilet from Canada. Canada, though it seems to be well on the path to Marxism in general, has maintained (so far), a freedom-loving 13 liter per flush commode. Don’t think you can get them in Ontario, though. (They went to low-flows as well, methinks.) Sure, it’s illegal, but the thrill becoming a international smuggler is icing on the cake. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/28 "2004-05-08T00:45:26Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Sure, it’s illegal, but the thrill becoming a international smuggler is icing on the cake. Especially if you try to smuggle it by hiding it in a body cavity. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/29 "2004-05-08T01:15:03Z")
> [@Early Out](#): > > The only place I’ve seen these is Europe, particularly in hotels with wall-mounted toilets. There’s a “flush panel” on the wall, about 6" by 9", divided one-third/two-thirds. Hit the smaller section of the panel, you get a small flush, hit the large section, get the big flush. In Denmark many toilets at homes and elsewhere had this feature. I hate low-pressure toilets. Nothing like having to hang around for a while to flust twice or three times. ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/30 "2004-05-08T02:01:48Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > I can’t believe I willingly clicked on a link to see a toilet flushing. Not only once did I see a toilet flush, I also willingly looked at the _second_ video of the toilet flushing. 😛 I was sitting there, watching it over and over again (pretty impressive toilet, no?), and I realized, “My god, it’s Friday night and I’m watching toilet flushes over the Internet.” So then I watched it a few more times. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/31 "2004-05-08T05:28:12Z")
As a contractor, I will not warrant function of any toilet fixture unless made by Kohler or American Standard. I have a now discontinued Kohler in my own home with a twin handle- 1.1 or 1.6 GF, and 9 times out of 10, I can flush solid waste on the 1.1 handle. Some of the modifications that other manufacturers came out with so they could expend existing product (china) are laughable, except that consumers are stuck with them. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/32 "2004-05-08T05:42:34Z")
And only on the Dope will you get a debate about dunnies, and in The Pit to boot. Golly, I do love this place. ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/33 "2004-05-08T05:49:57Z")
[QUOTE=htns] WORD!!! {pumps fist in air, Huey Newton style) Just be thankful that you don’t live in Germany. Hey Deutschendoperen, what’s the deal with your toilets and their shelves? [QUOTE] While I was born in Germany, I have never been able to discern the “warum” of those shelves. As an adult who travels “home” twice a year, it’s all I can do to avoid looking at that steaming mound of plop before I push the button to get rid of it. Incidentally, the last hotel I stayed in over there gave me the option of a three second or a five second flush. Travellers tip: **Never** use that toilet brush that they put beside the bowl. That bowl is constructed in such a way that is some of your _stuff_ streaks the side, and you attempt to brush it off, it will splatter on ya’! Let the maid do it. We need my budy **lieu** in this thread! And I apologize if this is a bit graphic. Blame it on the “shelf-person” up there! 😃 Q Looks like I forgot how to quote while I was gone on hiatus! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/34 "2004-05-08T10:56:35Z")
> [@Early Out](#): > > The only place I’ve seen these is Europe, particularly in hotels with wall-mounted toilets. There’s a “flush panel” on the wall, about 6" by 9", divided one-third/two-thirds. Hit the smaller section of the panel, you get a small flush, hit the large section, get the big flush. Most Australian toilets have a dual-flush system–full-flush for poop and half-flush for pee. I think the full-flush button should have a stylised picture of poop on it. And perhaps the half-flush button could show a few tinkley raindrops. Or a bottle of beer. Alas, such a decorative toilet cannot be found. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/35 "2004-05-08T12:21:15Z")
holy shit! (no pun intended) You people don’t have dual flush toilets?! Wow, that’s strange. What a weird country. Next thing you’ll be telling me you don’t have kangaroo kebabs 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/36 "2004-05-08T12:29:29Z")
> [@Who Stole My Name?](#): > > You people don’t have dual flush toilets?! Wow, that’s strange. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen one in the U.S. So, it would appear that they’re only available in “developing” countries. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Caught\_Work](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Caught\_Work](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caught_Work)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/37 "2004-05-08T12:41:55Z")
You’ve mistyped ‘ing’ instead of ‘ed’. Now that’s better and far more accurate. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/38 "2004-05-08T13:24:54Z")
> [@GMRyujin](#): > > I was sitting there, watching it over and over again (pretty impressive toilet, no?), and I realized, “My god, it’s Friday night and I’m watching toilet flushes over the Internet.” > > So then I watched it a few more times. Hell, flush 'em if they can’t take a joke. ---
**Author:** ![zenith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zenith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zenith)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/39 "2004-05-08T19:27:57Z")
The damned low-flows mated to slow-recovering electric-eye flush mechanisms. I’m sure everyone here has experienced the public crapper that inadequately flushes and then takes 20-30 seconds of holding one’s hand over the little red square, then pulling away the hand to unleash Inadequate Flush 2, then requires another wasted 20-30 seconds before Inadequate Flush 3, etc., etc.,etc… ---
**Author:** ![Ashkicker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@Ashkicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashkicker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2004, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032/40 "2004-05-09T02:18:57Z")
**Zenith** , my work has the automatic flush sensor system that frequently screws up. I just got over doing what you are doing and now I just kick the black button with my shoe. No waiting for the sensor, just kick and go! BTW, I hate low flow toliets myself. They just totally suck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/those-who-voted-for-low-flow-toilets-must-be-punished/244032.md?page=3)