# Thought about Anne Hathaway and The Dark Knight Rises **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 21, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201 "2012-08-21T19:54:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/61 "2012-08-22T19:18:13Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yes she did - “What’s the matter - cat got your tongue?” after she pinned Daggett to the wall with her bootheel. Ok, there’s _one_. In a typical Adam West Batman you’d get half a dozen of them in 22 minutes! > [@](#): > > I’m not arguing that point - I’m just saying it’s still objectively creepy for Bruce to give her the pearls, no matter how he spins it in his own head. I’m going to agree with **Skald the Rhymer** here. They were his mother’s pearls and not _just_ the ones she was wearing when she died. It’s supposed to be a sign that he’s letting go of his fixation on the murder of his parents and open to love again and whatnot. Plus she’d probably steal them anyway if he didn’t give them to her. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/62 "2012-08-22T19:20:28Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > :: shrugs :: > > Anyone who dates Bruce Wayne in the full knowledge that he is Batman is just asking for trouble. Heartache at a minimum, being kidnapped by Mr. Freeze as an average, being eaten alive by Killer Croc at a maximum. > > Are you not feeling well? Obviously it was Alfred. So…he ran down there afterwards, and ran areound the alley, picking up pearls.? Wow! ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/63 "2012-08-22T19:25:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m going to agree with **Skald the Rhymer** here. They were his mother’s pearls and not _just_ the ones she was wearing when she died. It’s supposed to be a sign that he’s letting go of his fixation on the murder of his parents and open to love again and whatnot. Plus she’d probably steal them anyway if he didn’t give them to her. 😉 “I’ve built dozens of bridges, but do they call me Ian the Bridge Builder?” Your second point is well taken though. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/64 "2012-08-22T19:26:27Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yes she did - “What’s the matter - cat got your tongue?” after she pinned Daggett to the wall with her bootheel. > > I’m not arguing that point - I’m just saying it’s still objectively creepy for Bruce to give her the pearls, no matter how he spins it in his own head. Well, of course it is. I just meant that if it’s not this that creeps her out, it’s going to be something else. Bruce is not a well man. > [@Anaamika](#): > > So…he ran down there afterwards, and ran areound the alley, picking up pearls.? Wow! We’re talking about Alfred here: simultaneously the most superficially-well-adjusted person in the Batfamily, and the most irresponsible. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/65 "2012-08-22T19:27:45Z")
Also his love interests keep dying. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/66 "2012-08-22T19:28:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Also his love interests keep dying. Alfred’s or Bruce’s? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/67 "2012-08-22T19:32:08Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Well, of course it is. I just meant that if it’s not this that creeps her out, it’s going to be something else. Bruce is not a well man. > > We’re talking about Alfred here: simultaneously the most superficially-well-adjusted person in the Batfamily, and the most irresponsible. Well, what’s he supposed to do? He did the only thing he really could do in DKR; he quit. This is why too much money is bad sometimes. A poor or middle class person could not hide inside their house for years and years easily; we have to go out to make a living and cannot just live off the interest of our money. Bruce can sit in his home for eight years. What’s Alfred supposed to do, physically haul him out? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/68 "2012-08-22T19:34:16Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Alfred’s or Bruce’s? I meant Bruce’s (Rachel and then Marion), unless there is a lot of subtext in the TDK movies that I missed. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/69 "2012-08-22T19:37:43Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Well, what’s he supposed to do? He did the only thing he really could do in DKR; he quit. This is why too much money is bad sometimes. A poor or middle class person could not hide inside their house for years and years easily; we have to go out to make a living and cannot just live off the interest of our money. Bruce can sit in his home for eight years. What’s Alfred supposed to do, physically haul him out? I wasn’t talking about anything that happened in DKR. I meant that he should have worked harder to get Bruce into therapy as a lad. Also (and outside the scope of the movies), I mean abetting the serial child endangerment. > [@Marley23](#): > > I meant Bruce’s (Rachel and then Marion), unless there is a lot of subtext in the TDK movies that I missed. To be fair, Rachel was only Bruce’s love interest in his mind. Her death had nothing to do with him or even Batman; it was because she was doing Harvey. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/70 "2012-08-22T19:38:03Z")
It seems obvious to me that the police collected the pearls during their investigation and returned them when they were done. I’m sure when two of the richest people in the city die they got the CSI treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/71 "2012-08-22T19:40:20Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I wasn’t talking about anything that happened in DKR. I meant that he should have worked harder to get Bruce into therapy as a lad. Also (and outside the scope of the movies), I mean abetting the serial child endangerment. Agreed…but honest question. In a universe where there are Jokers and the Scarecrow is a therapist\*, is it even worth going to one? \*Wasn’t he one? Or something like it? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/72 "2012-08-22T19:43:41Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Agreed…but honest question. In a universe where there are Jokers and the Scarecrow is a therapist\*, is it even worth going to one? > > \*Wasn’t he one? Or something like it? Take your facts back to Wales where they belong! Yeah, Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow would be a bad choice for a therapist. But surely there are better ones. Of course, if Bruce had ever gotten drugs, couch time, and occasional electroshock he so clearly needs, none of the Bat-movies would ever have gotten made. Except possibly the Adam West one. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/73 "2012-08-22T19:47:32Z")
“Surely there are better ones”…again, I refer you to Joker, Riddler, Harley Quinn, and Arkham Asylum. Arkham alone should rest my case. Clearly the shrinks in Gotham City are only sane because the rules say they are. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/74 "2012-08-22T19:50:15Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > “Surely there are better ones”…again, I refer you to Joker, Riddler, Harley Quinn, and Arkham Asylum. Arkham alone should rest my case. Clearly the shrinks in Gotham City are only sane because the rules say they are. What did I just say about bothering me with your facts? Do you WANT me to beat some scapegoat with a wet sturgeon in youur place? Honestly, though, Alfred should have gotten young Bruce the fuck out of Gotham. Take the kid to Metropolis for Athena’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/75 "2012-08-22T20:00:35Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > What did I just say about bothering me with your facts? Do you WANT me to beat some scapegoat with a wet sturgeon in youur place? > > Honestly, though, Alfred should have gotten young Bruce the fuck out of Gotham. Take the kid to Metropolis for Athena’s sake. I just realized, I totally, totally disgregarded your comment about facts. I just scanned over it and my mind said “Who cares, move on. SHRINKS!” That was a bit silly of me! But if there is sturgeon-beating, sure, I will bug you with more facts. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/76 "2012-08-22T20:13:05Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > How do you figure? Most of the stories in the Dark Knight movies were based on famous Batman comics, for example. I will admit that I’m about as far from a Batman expert as possible. When I was a kid I watched the TV show every chance I got, and I’ve seen all of the movies, but I have never read a single comic book, nor have I ever really watched any Batman cartoon. (Maybe Super Friends a few times.) But looking at threads with people who are such experts, it seems that Nolan deviated from canon a good deal. Nicholson’s and Ledger’s Jokers are quite different, as are Pfieffer’s and Hathaway’s Catwoman. And the two versions of Two Face are very different. I don’t know which versions of these characters are closer to the comic books, but clearly someone is not being 100% faithful to them. So to suggest that Nolan may have had one character be both Catwoman and Batgirl doesn’t seem all that outrageous to me. Not any more outrageous then Edward Nigma having a brain-sucking device, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/77 "2012-08-22T20:17:44Z")
Ok, in that sense I guess she’s not “Catwoman, hear me roar”. She’s “The Cat”, a very good cat burglar who breaks into Bruce Wayne’s safe because he’s rich and it’s a challenge and why the fuck not? She’s very close to Catwoman but not 100% but she is far further from Batgirl than that. She doesn’t share many aspects with Batgirl. Come to think of it, have any of the Batman movies ever included Batgirl? I mean, isn’t Batgirl Gordon’s daughter (or niece)? Sometimes at least? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/78 "2012-08-22T20:23:27Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Ok, in that sense I guess she’s not “Catwoman, hear me roar”. She’s “The Cat”, a very good cat burglar who breaks into Bruce Wayne’s safe because he’s rich and it’s a challenge and why the fuck not? She’s very close to Catwoman but not 100% but she is far further from Batgirl than that. She doesn’t share many aspects with Batgirl. > > Come to think of it, have any of the Batman movies ever included Batgirl? I mean, isn’t Batgirl Gordon’s daughter (or niece)? Sometimes at least? Batman & Robin includes Batgirl. If you haven’t seen it, I urge you not to watch rectify that. If you absolutely _must_ watch it because, I dunno, you convert to Catholicism and go to confession and the priest tells you to do it ti as absolution for causing people to be beaten with wet sturgeons, then just watch the first sequence, when the title characters foil the museum heist. But really, just skip it. ETA: Your “hear me roar” remark reminds that that Michelle Pfeiffer’s character in _Batman Returns_, while called both Selina Kyle & Catwoman, was pretty far from the comics–much further than Hathaway. She wasn’t a jewel thief, for one thing, and was fixated on revenge on a particular person, for another. Comics Catwoman doesn’t have time for revenge quests. There are museums to rob, pimps to beat up, vigilantes to fuck. If you piss her off, she’ll claw your eyes out immediately, and then she’s done. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/79 "2012-08-22T20:25:11Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Batman & Robin includes Batgirl. If you haven’t seen it, I urge you not to watch rectify that. If you absolutely _must_ watch it because, I dunno, you convert to Catholicism and go to confession and the priest tells you to do it ti as absolution for causing people to be beaten with wet sturgeons, then just watch the first sequence, when the title characters foil the museum heist. > > But really, just skip it. Haven’t seen it. Is that the one with Mr. Freeze? I was thinking about watching it just for the camp. It’s the great thing about Netflix; I don’t have to go to any extra lengths to get movies at home. ---
**Author:** ![csupp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@csupp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/csupp)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/80 "2012-08-22T20:26:08Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Ok, in that sense I guess she’s not “Catwoman, hear me roar”. She’s “The Cat”, a very good cat burglar who breaks into Bruce Wayne’s safe because he’s rich and it’s a challenge and why the fuck not? She’s very close to Catwoman but not 100% but she is far further from Batgirl than that. She doesn’t share many aspects with Batgirl. > > Come to think of it, have any of the Batman movies ever included Batgirl? I mean, isn’t Batgirl Gordon’s daughter (or niece)? Sometimes at least? The first Batgirl is Barbara Gordon, James Gordon’s daughter. She later became Oracle when Joker shot her and put her in a wheelchair. Alicia Silverstone played Batgirl in one of the most awful films ever made, Batman & Robin. She pre-chewed all of the scenery in every shot she was in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201.md?page=5)