# Thought about Anne Hathaway and The Dark Knight Rises **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 21, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201 "2012-08-21T19:54:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/81 "2012-08-22T20:26:23Z")
Agreed, miss it at all costs. But in that version, she’s Alfred’s niece. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/82 "2012-08-22T20:27:28Z")
> [@csupp](#): > > She pre-chewed all of the scenery in every shot she was in. Agreed, she fit right in. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/83 "2012-08-22T20:31:10Z")
> [@csupp](#): > > The first Batgirl is Barbara Gordon, James Gordon’s daughter. She later became Oracle when Joker shot her and put her in a wheelchair. Silly Gothamite. The first Batgirl – well, Bat-Girl – was [Betty Kane](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat-Girl#Detective_Comics.2C_Batman_Family_and_other_appearances_.281967-1988.29) ,also known known as Bat-Woman’s niece, Bat-Woman being “the only superheroine to regularly carry a purse” and [“Bruce Wayne’s beard.”](http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/dmeister/g4techtv/doomed.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/84 "2012-08-22T20:36:14Z")
> [@csupp](#): > > The first Batgirl is Barbara Gordon, James Gordon’s daughter. She later became Oracle when Joker shot her and put her in a wheelchair. > > Alicia Silverstone played Batgirl in one of the most awful films ever made, Batman & Robin. She pre-chewed all of the scenery in every shot she was in. I’ve seen her in the _Killing Joke_, and she’s in the Batman: Arkham Asylum game I’ve just bought (but haven’t played too much; been too busy with Lego: Pirates with my SO). ---
**Author:** ![csupp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@csupp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/csupp)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/85 "2012-08-22T20:37:56Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Silly Gothamite. The first Batgirl – well, Bat-Girl – was [Betty Kane](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat-Girl#Detective_Comics.2C_Batman_Family_and_other_appearances_.281967-1988.29) ,also known known as Bat-Woman’s niece, Bat-Woman being “the only superheroine to regularly carry a purse” and [“Bruce Wayne’s beard.”](http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/dmeister/g4techtv/doomed.jpg) Referencing pre-Crisis continuity is like digging into the Old Testament, my friend. But I appreciate the education. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/86 "2012-08-22T20:40:33Z")
> [@csupp](#): > > Referencing pre-Crisis continuity is like digging into the Old Testament, my friend. > > But I appreciate the education. Cheers. The same is true of post-Crisis continuity. Do not tempt me to mention Donna Troy, Hawkman, or the Legion of Super-Heroes. > [@Anaamika](#): > > I’ve seen her in the _Killing Joke_, and she’s in the Batman: Arkham Asylum game I’ve just bought (but haven’t played too much; been too busy with Lego: Pirates with my SO). Are you talking about the Killing Joke graphic novel from the early 90s, or some video game? ---
**Author:** ![csupp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@csupp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/csupp)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/87 "2012-08-22T20:49:37Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The same is true of post-Crisis continuity. Do not tempt me to mention Donna Troy, Hawkman, or the Legion of Super-Heroes. Going through the Hawkman continuity is the wildest ride in comics. Been that way with a lot of the DC universe. Which is why, when I hear comments like the OP, about how a character is not portrayed consistent with character continuity, I’m compelled to ask - Which character? Which continuity? For the record, I thought the Nolan films contained an abundant amount of key modern Batman continuity with a lot of Knightfall and No Man’s Land stuff in this finale. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/88 "2012-08-22T20:50:39Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Are you talking about the Killing Joke graphic novel from the early 90s, or some video game? The comic book. I just read it, actually, less than a month ago, for the first time. I was just sort of musing and agreeing. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/89 "2012-08-22T20:51:56Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Come to think of it, have any of the Batman movies ever included Batgirl? I mean, isn’t Batgirl Gordon’s daughter (or niece)? Sometimes at least? Forgetting completely about _Batman & Robin_? I envy you. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/90 "2012-08-23T01:37:56Z")
> [@Acid\_Lamp](#): > > I thought her an unneccesary distraction honestly. She wasn’t needed in the script, and we could have done the whole film without her. Two words: Tit ties ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/91 "2012-08-23T01:39:01Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Forgetting completely about _Batman & Robin_? I envy you. Me, too. Forgetting Alicia Silverstone as ‘Clueless Batgirl’? Nice trick! Can you help me forget Bruce Clooney Wayne? And the fact that Kim Basinger and Jerri Hall and Danny DeVito were in a Batman movie? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/92 "2012-08-23T01:53:03Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Huh? Not in the movies. And actually, not even in the comics. Catwoman is a pretty neutral character, out only for herself. There are plenty of comic arcs where she develops a conscience and works with Bruce. There seems to be a pretty heavy misunderstanding that Catwoman=villain (it probably stems from the 60s TV show). Even on the TV show, there was sexual tension between The Catwoman as portrayed by Julie Newmar and the Batman. She declared her love for him on many occasions and the Caped Crusader responded. They both expressed regret that they were on opposite sides of the law. That’s something that kids watching at the time probably didn’t pick up on, but rewatching the episodes as an adult, it’s clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/93 "2012-08-23T02:28:42Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I mean, isn’t Batgirl Gordon’s daughter (or niece)? Depending at which point in her history, Babs has been both daughter and niece-who-was-adopted-and-treated-like-a-daughter (and may well have been his actual daughter, due to an affair that Jim had with his sister-in-law). Currently, it’s daughter, no adoption necessary. (The various Batgirls - Betty Kane. No longer in-continuity, although her aunt Kathy (Bat-Woman) is (and a separate set of character from Kate Kane (Batwoman) and her cousin Bette (Flamebird), who headline Batwoman). Barbara Gordon. Helena Bertinelli (very briefly). AKA Huntress, she no longer exists. (The Helena Wayne Huntress is back.) Cassandra Caine (wore the same costume as Hel). Stephanie Brown (FKA Spoiler, and had a brief stint as Robin). Cass and Steph’s current status is unknown.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/94 "2012-08-23T03:18:03Z")
You wanna see a good Batman movie? [_Here’s_](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un4Iw7Dt5OA) a good (potential) Batman movie. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/95 "2012-08-23T03:23:57Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > But looking at threads with people who are such experts, it seems that Nolan deviated from canon a good deal. Nicholson’s and Ledger’s Jokers are quite different, as are Pfieffer’s and Hathaway’s Catwoman. And the two versions of Two Face are very different. The bottom line here is that these characters have been around for a couple of generations and there are many ways to interpret them, so different filmmakers are going to go in different directions. I’m more familiar with the movies than the comics, but I’d say that in general the '80s/'90s Batman series relied on older versions of these characters and the Dark Knight series is based on more recent versions. But in both cases the generalities and a lot of the specifics came from the comics. Besides, I don’t see why Nicholson gets to be canon and Ledger doesn’t. I’m not sure that Nolan debated from the canonical stuff more than Burton did, but that’s at least debatable and it’s certainly not true that he was “unrestrained” by canon. Like I was saying, the Nolan movies share a lot of major points with famous recent-ish Batman comics, and some of the characters are different in _tone_, but they’re recognizably the same people. Ok, they didn’t call Selina Catwoman, but she was a cat burglar who spent much of the movie wearing cat ears (her night-vision goggles) who had a complicated and romantic relationship with Batman. That pretty well screams Catwoman. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/96 "2012-08-23T05:35:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Are you not feeling well? Obviously it was Alfred. Yeah, but he had to burn down the opera house to find the thief that picked up some of them before he got there. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/97 "2012-08-23T07:06:37Z")
Heck, I don’t have the slightest problem with “canon” variations. When I read Batman as a kid, Bruce Wayne hadn’t gone to Asia to train before becoming Batman. Alfred hadn’t been a lifelong servant to the Wayne family who’d known Bruce in infancy. Earth-2 Batman and Earth-2 Catwoman were married (I actually have this issue)… so, fine, whatever… I have, however, objections to _stupid_ movies, where antagonist motivation is nonsensical and inconsistent and plot holes are gaping and absurd contrivances are rampant. Same deal with the new _Star Trek_ movie. I didn’t care that they reworked the characters - I cared that they put them in such a determinedly stupid situation. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/98 "2012-08-23T13:20:28Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I’ve seen her in the _Killing Joke_, and she’s in the **Batman: Arkham Asylum game I’ve just bought** (but haven’t played too much; been too busy with Lego: Pirates with my SO). (my bolding) Didn’t you post a thread a while back about how nervous you were about playing Bioshock, because you get so terrified playing horror games? You may just want to avoid playing Arkham Asylum in the middle of the night during a thunderstorm then. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/99 "2012-08-23T13:22:20Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > (my bolding) Didn’t you post a thread a while back about how nervous you were about playing Bioshock, because you get so terrified playing horror games? You may just want to avoid playing Arkham Asylum in the middle of the night during a thunderstorm then. Arkham Asylum isn’t scary. At all. I’ve been playing it for a while now, off and on, and while it’s certainly moody, and dark, it hasn’t scared me once. I take it it is supposed to? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/100 "2012-08-23T14:51:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That pretty well screams Catwoman. Of course it does. I’m not denying that she was Catwoman. But I was also getting whispers of Batgirl. It is entirely possible that she’s both. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201.md?page=6)