# Thought about Anne Hathaway and The Dark Knight Rises **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 21, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201 "2012-08-21T19:54:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/101 "2012-08-23T15:16:06Z")
I don’t think that Bruce _gave_ the pearls to Selina, per se. More like, he just finally gave up on taking them back from her. Like, she showed up to their date at that cafe wearing them just to taunt him, and he sighed and said, ok, just go ahead. And I take it that Holly was Selina’s roommate? I sort of got the impression that she was supposed to have more backstory, but I’m not familiar enough with the comics to know what it was. I don’t think we even get her name on-screen. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/102 "2012-08-23T15:32:31Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > It is entirely possible that she’s both. Her character doesn’t include any Batgirl traits and she doesn’t act like Batgirl, so no, it really isn’t. I mean, it’s possible in the sense that it’s also possible that she’s the Riddler on her nights off and it just didn’t come up in the movie, but in terms of what is actually on screen, it’s not. She’s an antagonist in the first half of the movie and essentially on Batman’s side for the second half, after her bad-guy employers betray her. After that she helps Batman while continuing to look out for herself first. None of that says Batgirl. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/103 "2012-08-23T15:36:19Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Her character doesn’t include any Batgirl traits and she doesn’t act like Batgirl, so no, it really isn’t. I mean, it’s possible in the sense that it’s also possible that she’s the Riddler on her nights off and it just didn’t come up in the movie, but in terms of what is actually on screen, it’s not. She’s an antagonist in the first half of the movie and essentially on Batman’s side for the second half, after her bad-guy employers betray her. After that she helps Batman while continuing to look out for herself first. None of that says Batgirl. Agreed. She is _not_ Batgirl. Not even remotely. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/104 "2012-08-23T15:50:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I don’t think that Bruce _gave_ the pearls to Selina, per se. More like, he just finally gave up on taking them back from her. Like, she showed up to their date at that cafe wearing them just to taunt him, and he sighed and said, ok, just go ahead. There was a line where the executors of the estate said something like “We’ve got to find that string of pearls!” which led me to believe that Bruce had taken them as part of his vanishing act. And why would he take them if not to give to Selina? Of course, it could be some weird sex game for Bruce & Selina too - keep stealing the pearls back from each other in imaginative ways. Perverts. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/105 "2012-08-23T15:51:32Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Arkham Asylum isn’t scary. At all. I’ve been playing it for a while now, off and on, and while it’s certainly moody, and dark, it hasn’t scared me once. I take it it is supposed to? How far along are you? There were parts that my kids thought were pretty scary. ---
**Author:** ![csupp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@csupp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/csupp)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/106 "2012-08-23T15:59:11Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > How far along are you? There were parts that my kids thought were pretty scary. I haven’t played AA in awhile, since I moved on to AC, but I do recall some parts of the game that could be scary for young kids (can’t remember if it was Hush or Zsaaz in AA, but those are intense characters for little ones). But nothing scary for adults. Not as scary as Bioshock (which wasn’t all that scary), and certainly nothing like Dead Space 2 (which is really frickin’ scary). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/107 "2012-08-23T18:08:11Z")
That just proves that _someone_ took them; it doesn’t say anything about _who_. And if Selina was able to steal them before, she’s able to steal them again. Yeah, from what we see on screen, it’s perfectly consistent with either of them. I just prefer to think it was her. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/108 "2012-08-23T19:18:59Z")
The Scarecrow was the only thing I remember being scary about Arkham Asylum. Arkham City has some freaky stuff with Zsasz and the Riddler though. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/109 "2012-08-23T19:22:33Z")
Wait… I thought the premise of Arkham Asylum was that you played a masked horror movie villain systematically picking off a group of people working for a clown one by one. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/110 "2012-08-23T23:38:53Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Of course it does. I’m not denying that she was Catwoman. But I was also getting whispers of Batgirl. It is entirely possible that she’s both. Not really… no. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/111 "2012-08-26T19:30:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I don’t think that Bruce _gave_ the pearls to Selina, per se. More like, he just finally gave up on taking them back from her. Like, she showed up to their date at that cafe wearing them just to taunt him, and he sighed and said, ok, just go ahead. > > And I take it that Holly was Selina’s roommate? I sort of got the impression that she was supposed to have more backstory, but I’m not familiar enough with the comics to know what it was. I don’t think we even get her name on-screen. In _Batman: Year One_, Selina is working as a [del]prostitute[/del] dominatrix when Batman first becomes active. At the time she has a much-younger roommate, an unambiguous prostitute named Holly, whom she takes care of. When the comic was first published it was speculated that Selina & Holly were lovers, but it was later clarified/retconned that it was a more wholesome\*, maternal relationship. You may want to check out the Batman: Year One animated movie. It’s fairly faithful to the comics, though like all movies it could use more horses. \*More wholesome not because of the lack of homosexuality, but because of the lack of pedophilia. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2012, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/112 "2012-08-26T22:08:42Z")
The simplest reason I can think of that Hathaway wasn’t batgirl was that she didn’t have a pre-existing relationship, ancillary or otherwise, with Wayne. She was just chugging along doing catwomany things and got swept up into the bat-story. If she wasn’t doing catwomany things and was as others have cited - a niece, daughter, etc. and stumbled upon Wayne’s alter ego then sure, batgirl would be a possibility. And just because Hathaway wasn’t meowing, purring, licking herself (could you imagine?) the entire movie doesn’t make her less of a catwoman to me, in the nolanverse anyway. Batman isn’t as enamored with darkness, shadow. bats, and onomatopoeia as he is in other incarnations. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201/113 "2012-09-02T19:53:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > To be fair, Rachel was only Bruce’s love interest in his mind. Her death had nothing to do with him or even Batman; it was because she was doing Harvey. that’s not true. When batman is interrogating him, the joker says that he knew batman had a thing for her by the way he jumped right off the building to save her. There was no point putting her at risk unless it was going to be a hard choice for batman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thought-about-anne-hathaway-and-the-dark-knight-rises/632201.md?page=5)