# Thoughts on Revenge of the Sith (unboxed spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2005, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551 "2005-05-19T08:06:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/181 "2005-05-20T20:28:02Z")
Oh, I also liked some of the small references to other movies. My favorite was when Obi-Wan shot Grievous with a blaster and threw it away calling it an “uncivilized weapon”, referencing, of course Alec Guiness in Ep 4 calling the lightsaber a civilized weapon for an uncivilized time (IIRC). ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/182 "2005-05-20T20:39:16Z")
> [@Orual](#): > > Palpatine’s thoughts while watching Anakin fight Dooku: > > “I like this the style of this chair. Note to self: always have this sort of chair when watching my new apprentice kill my old apprentice.” “Cackling. This whole little diversion would be much more satisfying if I were cackling. Can’t give things away, though. I’d better wait till next time.” -Joe ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/183 "2005-05-20T20:39:39Z")
Ya know, the whole “civilized weapon” thing strikes me as a bit hypocritical. Obi-Wan cuts some dude’s arm off at the Mos Eisley cantina, which isn’t very civilized. The bit with the blaster was still funny though. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/184 "2005-05-20T20:42:58Z")
BTW, was I the only one who went a little googly eyed when they showed people walking into the musical/opera/bubble presentation thing. There was a pretty well-endowed woman/alien in a white dress. Wonder how that looks in IMAX. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/185 "2005-05-20T20:43:11Z")
> [@SlyFrog](#): > > So good is stronger, because it has the ability to hang around in an effete-manner until evil kills evil? Except that in most cases when that happens, evil isn’t really destroying evil, it’s just new evil taking over for old evil? > > My problem is I’m not seeing the criterion for determining how the Light Side is ever stronger. . . I’m not saying that the light side is stronger, only that the two are balanced. The Dark side is good at the whole murder/conquest thing, while the Light side is good at the opposite. To call the former “strong” and the latter “effete” is arbitrary. Or, as Yoda said: “Wars not make one great.” > [@](#): > > I’m in for the dive theory. Palpatine give the beat down to multiple jedi at one time, and smacks down the 800 year old green master, but Windu had him? Seems to convenient. Well, there’s clearly some indeterminacy in the battles. Obi-Wan loses to Dooku (badly) twice, Anakin defeats Dooku pretty easily, but then Obi-Wan beats Anakin fair and square. Was Anakin taking a dive? Of course not. It’s probably that Anakin would win that fight, say, 60% of the time (for example). Likewise, just because Yoda loses to Palpatine (with enemy reinforcements arriving, by the way) doesn’t mean he’s weaker, just that he lost that particular fight. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/186 "2005-05-20T20:45:57Z")
> [@Gangster Octopus](#): > > BTW, was I the only one who went a little googly eyed when they showed people walking into the musical/opera/bubble presentation thing. There was a pretty well-endowed woman/alien in a white dress. Wonder how that looks in IMAX. Except for clapping at the beginning and end my theater was completely silent. The Twi’Lek in the white dress being the exception. There were a whole lot of, “wow, would you look at that” comments when she showed up… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Orual](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orual](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orual)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/187 "2005-05-20T20:46:30Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > “Cackling. This whole little diversion would be much more satisfying if I were cackling. Can’t give things away, though. I’d better wait till next time.” > > -Joe Hee. “Now, let me see how creepily i can say’Good, good!’ … That worked well. We’ll keep that.” ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/188 "2005-05-20T21:00:55Z")
Yep - good call on the Death Star quotes. I’d forgotten those lines. Better re-watch ANH! ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/189 "2005-05-20T21:01:23Z")
“I like this dark and strangely lit theme, with the red robed guards standing stock still. I shall have to improve on that motif.” ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/190 "2005-05-20T21:14:00Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > _TAGGE: Until this battle station is fully operational we are > vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped. They’re more > dangerous than you realize. > MOTTI: Any attack made by the Rebels against this station would be a > useless gesture, no matter what technical data they’ve obtained. This > station is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use > it! > TARKIN: This bickering is pointless. Lord Vader will provide us with > the location of the Rebel fortress by the time this station is > operational. We will then crush the Rebellion with one swift stroke._ > > –A New Hope VADER: Don’t be too proud of this technological photoplay you’ve constructed. The ability to control a medium for 20 years is insignificant next to the power of a good Chick Flick. - from [TIE-tanic](http://fm4.orf.at/daddyd/197312) (scroll down a bit) ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/191 "2005-05-20T21:33:23Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > But they _are_ suspicious, as evidenced by their distrust of Palpatine, and their almost pathological insistence that he abdicate all “Emergency Powers” _immediately_ upon hearing word that General Grievous (the separatist’s military genius) is dead. They are suspicious of Palpatine, but they are definitely not suspicious of the clone army they find on Kamino. They never question its origins, its funding, its reason for existing. They just take it, no questions asked. Which is why they are morons. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/192 "2005-05-20T21:36:27Z")
[QUOTE=InvisibleWombat] Best line in the whole movie.[/uqote] 😕 Best line? Try worst delivery. Natalie can now proudly inherit the title of Worst Star Wars Actor. 3 films with Padme certainly outweigh 1 film with Little Ani (particularly since she’s supposed to be the cause for The Fall). Horrible. ---
**Author:** ![SlyFrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SlyFrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlyFrog)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/193 "2005-05-20T21:55:50Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > I’m not saying that the light side is stronger, only that the two are balanced. The Dark side is good at the whole murder/conquest thing, while the Light side is good at the opposite. And the opposite is what? Running/protecting a competent government? Protecting the people from murder/conquest? It apparently isn’t good at that. I think you’ve fallen for the whole Lucas shtick - if I say it’s stronger (or even equall), without really showing or defining how, people will just believe it, because it fits with the whole, “Good guys win somehow” ethos. > [@VarlosZ](#): > > To call the former “strong” and the latter “effete” is arbitrary. Or, as Yoda said: "Wars not make one great. It’s the opposite of arbitrary. It’s observing the movies, and what actually happens in them, and making a judgment based on what actually happens. > [@VarlosZ](#): > > Well, there’s clearly some indeterminacy in the battles. Obi-Wan loses to Dooku (badly) twice, Anakin defeats Dooku pretty easily, but then Obi-Wan beats Anakin fair and square. Was Anakin taking a dive? Of course not. It’s probably that Anakin would win that fight, say, 60% of the time (for example). As I said, I’ll give you that Obi-Wan (who beat the crap out of his own apprentice who had far less experience) and Windu (unless the Emperor took a fall, which is quite likely in my opinion) are possible exceptions. Neither of them are, in my opinion, very strong exceptions to the rule that the Dark Side generally appears to kicks the Light Side’s ass in the Star Wars movies. > [@VarlosZ](#): > > Likewise, just because Yoda loses to Palpatine (with enemy reinforcements arriving, by the way) doesn’t mean he’s weaker, just that he lost that particular fight. Sure, maybe he would have beaten him on another day. But I don’t know that. All I know is that he lost that fight. ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/194 "2005-05-20T22:03:24Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > > [@InvisibleWombat](#): > > > > Best line in the whole movie. > > 😕 Best line? Try worst delivery. > > Natalie can now proudly inherit the title of Worst Star Wars Actor. 3 films with Padme certainly outweigh 1 film with Little Ani (particularly since she’s supposed to be the cause for The Fall). > > Horrible. I gotta agree with you there. I know Miss Portman’s on record as saying that she doesn’t like the Star Wars franchise, couldn’t wait to get out, space operas are dumb, yadda yadda… …but honey, DO YOUR JOB. Which includes, I believe, somewhere in the fine print, NOT SUCKING. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/195 "2005-05-20T22:03:59Z")
Oh yeah – I forgot to mention that the scene where Yoda brushes off Palpatine’s two red-robed guards was absolutely fantastic. The whole theater erupted in applause. ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/196 "2005-05-20T22:16:48Z")
> [@SlyFrog](#): > > And the opposite is what? Running/protecting a competent government? Protecting the people from murder/conquest? It apparently isn’t good at that. > [snip] > It’s the opposite of arbitrary. It’s observing the movies, and what actually happens in them, and making a judgment based on what actually happens. I have to disagree with your statement that the Jedi aren’t good at competent government. From the movies we have: - The Jedi soundly kicked the Sith’s asses a few thousand(?) years ago - They structured the Galactic Republic and kept it on its feet and flourishing for the same few thousand years - The Sith effected a minor resurgence, which was stamped out in under 50 years. Seems to me the Jedi come out on top in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/197 "2005-05-20T22:23:17Z")
My take is that an individual Sith gains power faster than a Jedi, because he is willing to do anything to gain power. However, using the Dark Side heavily takes a physical toll, and clearly the Sith are too competitive to survive in large numbers, so it balances out overall. ---
**Author:** ![SpartanDC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@SpartanDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpartanDC)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/198 "2005-05-20T22:37:00Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > And the Vader yelling, “No.” Um, yeah. That was bad. Vader’s so chilling precisely because he has so little emotion. Tho’ he does have a penchant for killing people who fail him because of incompetence, when he’s fairly beaten, he just accepts it. There’s no rage there at all. And that’s what makes him such a powerful character - he controls his rage so tightly, he’s so _cold_. Having him yell, while possibly in character for Anakin, is not in character for Vader. But that’s exactly the point. Hearing of Padme’s death is what really kills Anakin Skywalker completely. His love for her was the only really good left in him, since he had given himself over to hating everyone else. What you’re seeing there are the death throes of Anakin Skywalker. ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/199 "2005-05-20T22:42:39Z")
Vader’s “NOOOOOO!” seems destined to be used in commercials for Happy Meals or something worse: _"Available for a limited time only, offer void in West Virginia, Idaho, New Hampshire, and The Death Star. (cut to Vader: “NOOOOOOOOO!”)_ ---
**Author:** ![scott\_evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/91b2a8/32.png) [@scott\_evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scott_evil)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551/200 "2005-05-20T22:45:24Z")
> [@sturmhauke](#): > > The entire plotline with the Wookies should have been handled much better or just cut entirely. Wookies are cool and all, but the setup was very poor. Why is Kashyyyk supposed to be such a strategically valuable planet when it appears to be a backwater with relatively low tech levels? And if Lucas was going to bother showing Wookies, he needed to really _show_ them for more than a couple of establishing shots. Instead it’s pretty much, “Look, Wookies! Meanwhile…” I know what you mean. I was waiting to see Maala, Itchy, and Lumpy. Well, maybe not Lumpy, because he wouldn’t have been born yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thoughts-on-revenge-of-the-sith-unboxed-spoilers/304551.md?page=11)