# Thousands of dollars in student debt cancelled. Good news, right?

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**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [August 24, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242 "2022-08-24T19:55:31Z")\
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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/401 "2022-10-21T17:27:09Z")

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Who will toss the case for the same reason the stay was denied: no standing.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/402 "2022-10-21T18:05:32Z")

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> [@D\_Anconia](#):
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> The Supreme Court didn’t dismiss the case. Justice Barrett declined to grant an emergency stay. The underlying case is still before the 7th Circuit.

She’s a right-wing maniac, right? If she tosses this, doesn’t that mean it has a good chance to be ignored by court as a whole?

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/403 "2022-10-21T18:14:02Z")

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> [@D\_Anconia](#):
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> Justice Barrett declined to grant an emergency stay.

Without that stay, loans are going to be forgiven and some people will even be given refunds. Even if the appeal succeeds, no one will undo that.

They may stop the program in its tracks, but they’re not going to roll things back.

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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/404 "2022-10-21T18:15:32Z")

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That’s not a given. We’ll see. There might be other challenges, as well.

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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/405 "2022-10-21T18:17:34Z")

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No, she’s not a maniac.

Also, the underlying case isn’t even before the Supreme Court at this stage.

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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/406 "2022-10-22T00:26:08Z")

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The 8th Circuit just blocked the program at least temporarily.

[Appeals court pauses Biden student debt relief program while it reviews case | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/21/politics/biden-student-loan-debt-relief-program-appeals-court-pause/index.html)

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**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/407 "2022-10-22T01:06:45Z")

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> [@D\_Anconia](#):
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> The 8th Circuit just blocked the program at least temporarily.

Here’s the tally of who appointed the eleven judges of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals:

Bush 41 - 1  
Bush 43 - 5  
Obama - 1  
Trump - 4

😬

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**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\
**Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/408 "2022-10-22T12:56:44Z")

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Democrats should be weaponizing this right now.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/409 "2022-10-23T22:01:07Z")

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Yawn. The petitioners filed this in such a manner that the 8th circuit court had no choice but to allow the stay, given that it was the weekend and both parties have to file a response. Had they filed this on, say, last Monday, the emergency stay would not have been granted.

The entire purpose was to delay the distributions by a few days.

Why?

Because Republicans are… legitimately… the party of abusers.

Election starts tomorrow. Thinking of making campaign signs: “Abuser (R)”, “Hater (R)”, “Facebook Crankpot (R)”, etc.

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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/410 "2022-10-23T22:20:24Z")

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> [@JohnT](#):
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> Had they filed this on, say, last Monday, the emergency stay would not have been granted.

You don’t know that, and don’t have any way of knowing that.

Unless you have a cite to the Court’s rules stating they were required to issue a stay because it was a Friday. I won’t hold my breath, though.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/411 "2022-10-23T22:34:13Z")

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I do know that because my news sources don’t lie to me. October 17th was the first date distributions were to begin.

The Evils filed their lawsuit, delaying it a few days. Then, once lost, another set of Evil people did the same, knowing that the timing required a stay, which had to be granted as to give the defendants time to respond.

They could have filed at any time. The fact they delayed until the last second implies two things:

1. The utter weakness of their case
2. The contemptable depravity of their souls

> **[Biden Administration Reveals Potential Start Date For Student Loan...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2022/10/04/biden-administration-reveals-potential-start-date-for-student-loan-forgiveness-but-theres-a-catch/)**
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> The Biden administration has revealed the earliest date that student loan forgiveness will begin under a new initiative. But those plans may be threatened by mounting legal challenges.

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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [October 23, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/412 "2022-10-23T22:45:06Z")

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So no cite that “the 8th circuit court had no choice but to allow the stay”, as you claimed, then. Color me unsurprised.

And the article you cited is not “news”, it’s advocacy.

“Adam S. Minsky is an advocate, innovator, and entrepreneur who established a unique law practice devoted entirely to assisting student loan borrowers and their families”.

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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/413 "2022-10-24T05:21:05Z")

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> <https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1584325204485894144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1584325204485894144%7Ctwgr%5E8134185bf7105f34c882e5dd76281c383f4ea9b8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fredstate.com%2Fnick-arama%2F2022%2F10%2F23%2Ftime-for-the-25th-biden-goes-over-the-edge-with-new-remarks-on-student-bailout-n647814>

This is our President, folks.

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**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/414 "2022-10-24T06:15:26Z")

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A six-second clip? This is your “proof”?? What kind of James O’Keefe Project Vertrash bullshit are you trying to push on us??

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/415 "2022-10-24T11:03:27Z")

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> [@D\_Anconia](#):
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> So no cite that “the 8th circuit court had no choice but to allow the stay”, as you claimed, then. Color me unsurprised.
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> And the article you cited is not “news”, it’s advocacy.

It’s _Forbes_ magazine, D. Fact checked. It’s a thing!

But since you appear to prefer more shaky citations, here’s a tweet from the Daily Beast… ?

> <https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1583598500003995648?t=rnCGSClqNGu_hrUcRljDNA&s=19>

… as well as their article…

> **[Court Temporarily Blocks Biden’s Student Loan Forgiveness Plan](https://www.thedailybeast.com/court-temporarily-blocks-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-plan?via=twitter_page)**
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> The 8th Circuit Court of Appeals ordered the Biden admin to temporarily hold off on “discharging any student loan debt.”

The very fact that a professional speaking from their knowledge and experience in this industry, in a conservative magazine which still adheres to the old standards of journalism and fact-checking (as we grew up to understand them), the fact this triggers a sense of alarm with you is quite telling.

Enjoy the Daily Beast. I don’t read it, but some here do.

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/416 "2022-10-24T11:19:48Z")

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Ugh, never mind. Didn’t come out clearly and I don’t have time to edit into coherence.

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**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/417 "2022-10-24T14:18:38Z")

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> [@snowthx](#):
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> Democrats should be weaponizing this right now.

Hard to do - the QOP has already weaponized the lie that this is a handout to lazy Ivy League graduates. It is very popular with people with loans, but I don’t think that is a large % of the population.

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**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/418 "2022-10-24T15:17:57Z")

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> [@Folacin](#):
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> It is very popular with people with loans, but I don’t think that is a large % of the population.

I am not sure about that - is ~13% “large”…

> **[How Many Americans Have Student Loan Debt? - NerdWallet](https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/student-loans/how-many-americans-have-student-loan-debt)**
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> About 45 million Americans have federal student loans, according to government data. Here's how that breaks down by age, race/ethnicity and gender.

But, to your point - yes, the other side has certainly got out in front on the messaging front, but that does not mean we cannot counter-attack, and with this court case making headlines anyway, it’s a good time to remind people that the many in the GOP are against things that help a lot of people.

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**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\
**Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/419 "2022-10-24T15:20:27Z")

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Yeah, getting a bunch of people with trade school and/or community college debt that is being forgiven out in public view would be a good move.

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**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thousands-of-dollars-in-student-debt-cancelled-good-news-right/970242/420 "2022-10-25T04:42:41Z")

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Whose bullshit? It’s his own words, on tape. Who cast those one or two votes? Dr. Jill and Ron Klain?

And before you claim the clip was edited, here’s a full version:

> <https://twitter.com/jacobkschneider/status/1584346085765525504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1584346085765525504%7Ctwgr%5Ec0ccebbf798488cec6ffc0ef4d2b2a16da83e7a9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalreview.com%2Fnews%2Fi-got-it-passed-by-a-vote-or-two-biden-falsely-claims-student-debt-forgiveness-passed-congress%2F>

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