# {Thread about Israel & Palestine launched from} Majority Leader Schumer Delivers Major Address On Antisemitism On The Senate Floor **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [December 1, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929 "2023-12-01T00:33:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/21 "2023-12-01T16:40:17Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Just because “Zionists” rejected a solution in the past doesn’t mean it’s not the correct solution today. Heck, it doesn’t mean it’s not the best solution today. To what solution are you referring? > [@BigT](#): > > ou seem to be arguing from a position of what should be. But you don’t seem to be considering the practicalities. Schumer can’t do that. He has to recommend something that is actually possible. What you say is actually possible, a two-state solution would merely formalize the oppression of the Palestinians and would perpetuate the conflict. > [@BigT](#): > > And, from what I can tell, a one-state solution is a nonstarter. You’re proposal that Israel give up its sovereignty to a new combined nation just will not happen. And we already have the current situation with a single Israeli state. At the moment it’s a nonstarter. Unfortunately this obstinateness serves to escalate the conflict that portends a wider more bloody outcome. > [@BigT](#): > > At the end of the day, Israel is a nuclear power. And you cannot deal with a nuclear power with an existential threat, or you get WWIII. That’s what Biden and the Dems have been spending most of their time trying to prevent. The Zionist regime can be dismantled from within in a manner similar to the way the Apartheid regime was dismantled in South Africa with nary an atomic weapon utilized. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/22 "2023-12-01T16:42:40Z")
The alternative is the further devolution of this conflict that portends a wider, vastly bloodier outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/23 "2023-12-01T16:45:01Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > What you say is actually possible, a two-state solution would merely formalize the oppression of the Palestinians and would perpetuate the conflict. Having Jews live unpogromed across the border is not _oppression_. I get that protecting the Jewish people from being murdered is not a high priority for everyone, but that’s precisely why the state of Israel exists. We no longer have to rely on others’ grace to avoid being genocided. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/24 "2023-12-01T16:46:43Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > What you say is actually possible, a two-state solution would merely formalize the oppression of the Palestinians and would perpetuate the conflict. How do you support this? What are you actually looking to have happen? It sounds like you think the Jewish People should leave, is that it? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/25 "2023-12-01T16:58:19Z")
Oh great … another solution to the 75-year-old conflict that starts with “there never should have been a Jewish state in the first place.” Reality-challenged and morally vacuous. Moving right along … ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/26 "2023-12-01T17:17:39Z")
The present situation portends a wider, blooder outcome to this conflict. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/27 "2023-12-01T17:19:23Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The present situation portends a wider, blooder outcome to this conflict It does? What outcome is that? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/28 "2023-12-01T17:19:38Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The alternative is the further devolution of this conflict that portends a wider, vastly bloodier outcome. No, the ‘alternative’ is the reality that has existed for the past 75 years. Believe it or not, the situation has become more stable and less bloody as time has gone on. Israel hasn’t been fighting full scale wars with its neighbors every decade since the 1970s. And Israel has been dealing with cross border attacks from the [Gaza Strip since it was founded in 1948](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Fedayeen_insurgency). It hasn’t been dealing with cross-border attacks from Egypt and Jordan since normalizing relationships with those countries. Your ‘solution’ of creating a single state out of Israel and Palestine and imagining it will magically be “democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic” is flatly delusional. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis want Palestinians to become citizens of Israel. ETA: > [@InfraBlue](#): > > The present situation portends a wider, blooder outcome to this conflict. Now you’re simply repeating yourself and your evidence-free assertions. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/29 "2023-12-01T17:27:33Z")
The creation of the Zionist state exponentially exacerbated the pogroms inflicted against Jews and has served to perpetuate them. An oppressive state as a response to oppression is not the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/30 "2023-12-01T17:29:26Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The creation of the Zionist state exponentially exacerbated the pogroms inflicted against Jews and has served to perpetuate them. That’s hillarious. Sorry, this uppity Jew isn’t buying it. You don’t like the existence of Israel, you’re welcome to sign up with Hamas and try to do something about it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/31 "2023-12-01T17:30:56Z")
_If only the Jews knew their proper place as second class citizens, then Muslims and Christians wouldn’t need to persecute them so hard._ ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/32 "2023-12-01T17:31:06Z")
Having Jews live in an state that oppresses another people merely perpetuates the pogroms inflicted against Jews and increases the chances of exponentially bloodier ones. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/33 "2023-12-01T17:32:30Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Having Jews live in an state that oppresses another people There are plenty of Arabs who are full citizens of Israel. With a two state solution no one would need to be oppressed anywhere; unless you consider being forced to experience free Jews nearby to be oppression. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/34 "2023-12-01T17:32:34Z")
No. The Jewish People should work towards dismantling the necessarily oppressive Zionist state and implementing a truly democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic state in Palestine for all the people therein. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/35 "2023-12-01T17:36:15Z")
How is pointing out the necessarily oppressive nature of this Jewish state, and calls for its replacement with something better “reality-challenged and morally vacuous”? ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/36 "2023-12-01T17:38:19Z")
A regional war that would involve much of the rest of the world and see the utilization of nuclear weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/37 "2023-12-01T17:41:53Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > How is pointing out the necessarily oppressive nature of this Jewish state, Is England necessarily oppressive with its Church of England? What about all the Arab countries with their Muslim state they necessarily oppresive? Or is only the Jew a _necessarily repressive_ creature? > [@InfraBlue](#): > > A regional war that would involve much of the rest of the world and see the utilization of nuclear weapons And what about the current situation makes you think this is likely? Is it the fact that Israel normalized relations with many of the surrounding Arab states? Is it the fact that even Hezbollah and the PA have done little more than rattle their sabers? There is very little connection between anything you’ve posted here and the reality of the Middle East. I recommend you educate yourself before you make further errors. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/38 "2023-12-01T18:04:50Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I get that protecting the Jewish people from being murdered is not a high priority for everyone, but that’s precisely why the state of Israel exists. We no longer have to rely on others’ grace to avoid being genocided. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/39 "2023-12-01T18:35:43Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Believe it or not, the situation has become more stable and less bloody as time has gone on. Israel hasn’t been fighting full scale wars with its neighbors every decade since the 1970s. And Israel has been dealing with cross border attacks from the [Gaza Strip since it was founded in 1948](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Fedayeen_insurgency). It hasn’t been dealing with cross-border attacks from Egypt and Jordan since normalizing relationships with those countries. Other opinions hold that the present situation, the 10/7 attack, is only surpassed by the Holocaust. The situation portends to only get worse. > [@Dissonance](#): > > Your ‘solution’ of creating a single state out of Israel and Palestine and imagining it will magically be “democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic” is flatly delusional. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis want Palestinians to become citizens of Israel. The People of Palestine should become citizens of one democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic state in all of Palestine, whatever it would be called. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/40 "2023-12-01T18:41:06Z")
The existence of Israel necessarily oppresses an entire people; what is there to like about that? You are closer to Hamas than you think. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929.md?page=3)