# {Thread about Israel & Palestine launched from} Majority Leader Schumer Delivers Major Address On Antisemitism On The Senate Floor **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [December 1, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929 "2023-12-01T00:33:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/41 "2023-12-01T18:48:26Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The existence of Israel necessarily oppresses an entire people; What on Earth are you talking about? I ask again. Does the existence of England oppress an entire people because of the Church of England, or is it only Jews who are inherently oppressive creatures? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/42 "2023-12-01T18:50:52Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > You are closer to Hamas than you think. And you’re landing [All three D’s](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Ds_of_antisemitism) like a champ. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/43 "2023-12-01T18:53:12Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@InfraBlue](#): > > > > How is pointing out the necessarily oppressive nature of this Jewish state, > > Is England necessarily oppressive with its Church of England? What about all the Arab countries with their Muslim state they necessarily oppresive? Or is only the Jew a _necessarily repressive_ creature? Conflating “the Jew” with Zionists is anti-Semitic. As with other oppressive states, sanctions must be imposed against the state of Israel. > [@Babale](#): > > And what about the current situation makes you think this is likely? Is it the fact that Israel normalized relations with many of the surrounding Arab states? Is it the fact that even Hezbollah and the PA have done little more than rattle their sabers? > > There is very little connection between anything you’ve posted here and the reality of the Middle East. I recommend you educate yourself before you make further errors. There is the widely held opinion that the 10/7 attack is only surpassed by the Holocaust. The situation portends to get worse. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/44 "2023-12-01T18:53:42Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The situation portends to get worse. More evidence-free assertions. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/45 "2023-12-01T18:54:10Z")
No I am not. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/46 "2023-12-01T18:58:29Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Conflating “the Jew” with Zionists is anti-Semitic What is oppressive about Zionists? I am a proud Zionist, and I don’t seek to oppress anyone; I think us Jews should have a country to take care of us, and I think the Palestinians should have a country to take care of them, because peoples without a country that makes them a priority historically suffer horribly. That’s not oppressive, unless not being able to murder me is something you find oppressive. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/47 "2023-12-01T19:00:00Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > No I am not. Delegitimization: > [@InfraBlue](#): > > The existence of Israel necessarily oppresses an entire people Demonization: > [@InfraBlue](#): > > You are closer to Hamas than you think. Double standard: > [@InfraBlue](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > Is England necessarily oppressive with its Church of England? What about all the Arab countries with their Muslim state they necessarily oppresive? Or is only the Jew a _necessarily repressive_ creature? > > Conflating “the Jew” with Zionists is anti-Semitic. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/48 "2023-12-01T20:16:47Z")
What is oppressive about Zionists is that they necessarily oppress the Palestinians in maintaining their state which denies the Palestinians their rights in Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/49 "2023-12-01T20:21:35Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > What is oppressive about Zionists is that they necessarily oppress the Palestinians in maintaining their state which denies the Palestinians their rights in Palestine A two state solution would give both Palestinians and Israelis a state. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/50 "2023-12-01T20:26:25Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@InfraBlue](#): > > > > No I am not. > > Delegitimization: A necessarily oppressive state is not legitimate. > [@Babale](#): > > > [@InfraBlue](#): > > > > The existence of Israel necessarily oppresses an entire people > > Demonization: In regard to the existence of Israel necessarily oppressing an entire people, the shoe fits. > [@Babale](#): > > > [@InfraBlue](#): > > > > You are closer to Hamas than you think. > > Double standard: How is that a double standard? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/51 "2023-12-01T20:27:46Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > How is that a double standard? In what way is the Jewish state of Israel oppressive while the Christian state of England is not? ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/52 "2023-12-01T20:27:48Z")
A two state solution would negate the Palestinians’ rights in Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/53 "2023-12-01T20:28:22Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > How is that a double standard? If it’s oppression when Israel has a state religion, and not when other countries do it, that seems like one to me. Since your own words are that “a Jewish state is necessarily oppressive”. But a Christian or Muslim one isn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/54 "2023-12-01T20:28:38Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > A two state solution would negate the Palestinians’ rights in Palestine No, it wouldn’t. A one state Palestine would negate the Israelis’ rights in Israel. A one state Israel would negate Palestinian rights. Two states protect everyone. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/55 "2023-12-01T20:47:24Z")
The argument is a straw man. It is not my argument. Israel is oppressive because it denies the Palestinians their rights in Palestine. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/56 "2023-12-01T20:48:09Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Israel is oppressive because it denies the Palestinians their rights in Palestine. And a one state Palestine denies Israelis their rights in Israel. A two state solution protects everyone. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/57 "2023-12-01T20:48:51Z")
A one state Palestine wouldn’t negate the Israelis’ or Palestinians’ rights in Palestine according to international resolutions and accords. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/58 "2023-12-01T20:49:39Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > No. The Jewish People should work towards dismantling the necessarily oppressive Zionist state and implementing a truly democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic state in Palestine for all the people therein. Like Iran, Iraq, Saudia Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain… ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/59 "2023-12-01T20:50:00Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > A one state Palestine wouldn’t negate the Israelis’ rights in Israel according to international resolutions and accords 🤣 No thanks, I’m not gonna take the bet that Hamas and the PA will morph into humanitarians overnight. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2023, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/60 "2023-12-01T20:51:44Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@InfraBlue](#): > > > > How is that a double standard? > > In what way is the Jewish state of Israel oppressive while the Christian state of England is not? You still haven’t answered this question, but that’s OK; you’re hitting all 3 D’s so perfectly that your motivation is crystal clear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929.md?page=4)