# {Thread about Israel & Palestine launched from} Majority Leader Schumer Delivers Major Address On Antisemitism On The Senate Floor **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [December 1, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929 "2023-12-01T00:33:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/121 "2023-12-03T00:24:57Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > No, you are engaging in whataboutism, which is a form of a tu-quoque fallacy, which is a subtype of ad-hominem argumentation. I’m doing no such thing. I’m suggesting that you are presenting an oversimplified solution and asking how you would address this situation. Your hypothesis as the thread starter - which you have failed to back up with cites - is that Jew hatred is an expected outcome of the creation of the State of Israel. In light of your proposed single state solution, I’ve asked you how you would handle the case of the Jews expelled from neighbouring Muslim majority countries and whether they hold the same rights as you feel the Palestinians do in and in comparison to another two state solution created at the same time in history which involved ethnic cleaning. Instead you have chosen to stonewall. Are you willing to enter a genuine dialogue? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/122 "2023-12-03T00:34:55Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Why should a necessarily oppressive state exist, let alone have a right to exist? It’s not necessarily oppressive. It’s **regrettably** oppressive. You keep pushing your unfounded opinion as fact. You might as well start asking people to answer geological questions based on the premise that the world is flat. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/123 "2023-12-03T00:48:45Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > How is it disquieting? Are you embracing the conclusion that I suggested above? If not, I see little profit in addressing this question. > [@](#): > > Why should a necessarily oppressive state exist, let alone have a right to exist? I do not embrace the premise of this question (that Israel is a necessarily oppressive state), so I’m going to decline to respond to it. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/124 "2023-12-03T00:49:47Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > > [@InfraBlue](#): > > > > No, you are engaging in whataboutism, which is a form of a tu-quoque fallacy, which is a subtype of ad-hominem argumentation. > > I’m doing no such thing. Yes you are. By bringing up “the Muslim world,” and then adding Inida/ Pakistan, and California/Mexico you most certainly are engaging in whataboutism. You have mischaracterized my hypothesis. Given these two fallacies, _your_ replies do not make for a genuine dialogue. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/125 "2023-12-03T00:51:08Z")
Please, someone move this thread to the pit. ---
**Author:** ![InfraBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infrablue/32/6366_2.png) [@InfraBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InfraBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/126 "2023-12-03T00:55:28Z")
[quote=“Atamasama, post:122, topic:993929, full:true”] > [@InfraBlue](#): > > Why should a necessarily oppressive state exist, let alone have a right to exist? It’s not necessarily oppressive. It’s **regrettably** oppressive. How is it “regrettably” oppressive? > [@Atamasama](#): > > You keep pushing your unfounded opinion as fact. Which opinion, exactly are you referring to? > [@Atamasama](#): > > You might as well start asking people to answer geological questions based on the premise that the world is flat. Well this most certainly contributes the the furthering of this thread in Politics & Elections; well done. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/127 "2023-12-03T01:06:37Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > The pograms that Jews have suffered do not justify Israel’s oppression of the Palestinian people. The pograms justify the _existence_ of Israel, something that you clearly have a problem with. You want to eliminate Israel in its entirety, and substitute a Jew-free Palestinian country. This is your plan, your goal. It’s transparently clear. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/128 "2023-12-03T01:08:12Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Please, someone move this thread to the pit. There’s nothing stopping you from starting another thread there. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/129 "2023-12-03T02:12:15Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Why should a necessarily oppressive state exist, let alone have a right to exist? Reading that without your other posts reads as a question of Hamas’s existence. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/130 "2023-12-03T02:27:22Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > By bringing up “the Muslim world,” and then adding Inida/ Pakistan Do you not see a Hindu/Muslim two state solution parallel to the Jewish/Muslim divide in the creation of Israel? I’m merely drawing comparisons to other regions that went through similar patterns. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/131 "2023-12-03T03:31:53Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > Which opinion, exactly are you referring to? The one I was responding to…? If you are struggling that much with this discussion, I don’t think that it’s worth continuing it. You’re not even trying. I’m going to have to assume there’s no longer any point. I’ve been trying to give you every chance here to explain yourself out of respect to you, but you’re stubbornly refusing to do so, and I think I’ve wasted my time. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/132 "2023-12-03T03:57:41Z")
> [@InfraBlue](#): > > One state is the only compromise solution that takes into account both parties’ claims in regard to Palestine. > > The conflict has escalated precisely because of Israel’s continued oppression of the Palestinian people. Got to admire your dedication to just declaring the same thing over and over forever as the answer. And to **Atamasama** ’s point, things like “a pluralistic one state solution is the only solution that works”, and “the existence of a Jewish state of Israel is necessarily depriving Palestinians of their rights” are _opinions_, not axiomatic facts. > [@InfraBlue](#): > > I’m assuming that both peoples would compromise and run the state cooperatively. Based upon what? > [@InfraBlue](#): > > Please, someone move this thread to the pit. What, do we have an urge to hatefully insult one another personally? We are exchanging opinions here quite well, why should we want to move to a place where we can call each other nasty names? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-about-israel-palestine-launched-from-majority-leader-schumer-delivers-major-address-on-antisemitism-on-the-senate-floor/993929/133 "2023-12-03T16:29:50Z")
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