{Thread about Israel & Palestine launched from} Majority Leader Schumer Delivers Major Address On Antisemitism On The Senate Floor

To what solution are you referring?

What you say is actually possible, a two-state solution would merely formalize the oppression of the Palestinians and would perpetuate the conflict.

At the moment it’s a nonstarter. Unfortunately this obstinateness serves to escalate the conflict that portends a wider more bloody outcome.

The Zionist regime can be dismantled from within in a manner similar to the way the Apartheid regime was dismantled in South Africa with nary an atomic weapon utilized.

The alternative is the further devolution of this conflict that portends a wider, vastly bloodier outcome.

Having Jews live unpogromed across the border is not oppression.

I get that protecting the Jewish people from being murdered is not a high priority for everyone, but that’s precisely why the state of Israel exists. We no longer have to rely on others’ grace to avoid being genocided.

How do you support this?
What are you actually looking to have happen? It sounds like you think the Jewish People should leave, is that it?

Oh great … another solution to the 75-year-old conflict that starts with “there never should have been a Jewish state in the first place.”

Reality-challenged and morally vacuous. Moving right along …

The present situation portends a wider, blooder outcome to this conflict.

It does? What outcome is that?

No, the ‘alternative’ is the reality that has existed for the past 75 years. Believe it or not, the situation has become more stable and less bloody as time has gone on. Israel hasn’t been fighting full scale wars with its neighbors every decade since the 1970s. And Israel has been dealing with cross border attacks from the Gaza Strip since it was founded in 1948. It hasn’t been dealing with cross-border attacks from Egypt and Jordan since normalizing relationships with those countries.

Your ‘solution’ of creating a single state out of Israel and Palestine and imagining it will magically be “democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic” is flatly delusional. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis want Palestinians to become citizens of Israel.

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Now you’re simply repeating yourself and your evidence-free assertions.

The creation of the Zionist state exponentially exacerbated the pogroms inflicted against Jews and has served to perpetuate them. An oppressive state as a response to oppression is not the answer.

That’s hillarious. Sorry, this uppity Jew isn’t buying it. You don’t like the existence of Israel, you’re welcome to sign up with Hamas and try to do something about it.

If only the Jews knew their proper place as second class citizens, then Muslims and Christians wouldn’t need to persecute them so hard.

Having Jews live in an state that oppresses another people merely perpetuates the pogroms inflicted against Jews and increases the chances of exponentially bloodier ones.

There are plenty of Arabs who are full citizens of Israel. With a two state solution no one would need to be oppressed anywhere; unless you consider being forced to experience free Jews nearby to be oppression.

No. The Jewish People should work towards dismantling the necessarily oppressive Zionist state and implementing a truly democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic state in Palestine for all the people therein.

How is pointing out the necessarily oppressive nature of this Jewish state, and calls for its replacement with something better “reality-challenged and morally vacuous”?

A regional war that would involve much of the rest of the world and see the utilization of nuclear weapons.

Is England necessarily oppressive with its Church of England? What about all the Arab countries with their Muslim state they necessarily oppresive? Or is only the Jew a necessarily repressive creature?

And what about the current situation makes you think this is likely? Is it the fact that Israel normalized relations with many of the surrounding Arab states? Is it the fact that even Hezbollah and the PA have done little more than rattle their sabers?

There is very little connection between anything you’ve posted here and the reality of the Middle East. I recommend you educate yourself before you make further errors.

Indeed.

Other opinions hold that the present situation, the 10/7 attack, is only surpassed by the Holocaust. The situation portends to only get worse.

The People of Palestine should become citizens of one democratic, egalitarian, and pluralistic state in all of Palestine, whatever it would be called.

The existence of Israel necessarily oppresses an entire people; what is there to like about that? You are closer to Hamas than you think.