# Thread ban **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [November 4, 2024, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666 "2024-11-04T12:27:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/41 "2024-11-05T19:31:41Z")
Also, whilst @Wesley_Clark’s post was similar, it was different in three ways: It was later in the timeline of the thread. Although it’s a miscorrection of the thread title, it doesn’t quote me, so I didn’t get pinged. Subjectively, it was quite a lot more obviously a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/42 "2024-11-05T19:33:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > What he “did there” was to respond to the proscription with two sentences that violated the proscription. It had nothing to do with you. This. Exactly. I’m not kidding when I say I literally had forgotten the exact nature of Peter’s joke. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/43 "2024-11-05T21:27:20Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Bit of a contradiction there. I take it you were joking. No, because **time elapsed** between: A. the point where it was not clear you were joking, and: B. the point where it was made clear that you were joking. **Some time after this** , I forgot all about your joke and described a different incident where someone had **earnestly** miscorrected me. This happened last week in YouTube. There is no contradiction. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/44 "2024-11-05T21:48:24Z")
So, mod here. This is the first indication to me that there was another post of that general nature. I haven’t been avidly reading the thread. I’m not super inclined to moderate it. 1. it’s much more obvious it’s meant as a joke 2. no one reported it 3. the OP implied (in this thread) that it didn’t especially bother him. And as for @Mangetout 's post, i don’t even see the connection. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/45 "2024-11-06T00:50:55Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Also, whilst @Wesley_Clark’s post was similar, it was different in three ways: > It was later in the timeline of the thread. Yes, it was. It happened AFTER I had been modded. Does that not make it worse. > [@Mangetout](#): > > Both of the examples of non-rule enforcement incident I referred to there, happened elsewhere (in YouTube comments). Quite a coincidence that it should happen in two different forums within a week. Or, as a great man put it: [https://youtu.be/4-E-o0ajGAo/#2](https://youtu.be/4-E-o0ajGAo/#2) Link? If you don’t want to reveal your youtube ID, send it to puzzlegal, who will confirm that this coincidence happened without revealing your identity. Assuming, arguendo, that the coincidence is real, is it possible that you were offended more by the youtube comment than my post? I mean, maybe my post on its own would have been okay, but you were annoyed by the earlier post, and carried your annoyance over to me. Is that a possibility? > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Edit: Out of curiosity, are you arguing for a reversal on the threadban because you feel you have an important or interesting perspective to add to the thread? or because you’re offended at the threadban and want to win? Bit of both. Maybe 60/40 with a wish to participate in the thread the more important of the two. Why are you arguing against it? Because you want to win? Comme ci comme ça. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/46 "2024-11-06T01:10:36Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Quite a coincidence that it should happen in two different forums within a week. Not really. It happens a lot - incessantly - on many topics and in various forms, on a daily basis. That’s what the thread was about. > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Or, as a great man put it: [https://youtu.be/4-E-o0ajGAo/#2](https://youtu.be/4-E-o0ajGAo/#2) Not sure this is the appropriate forum for calling me a liar, even obliquely. > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Link? If you don’t want to reveal your youtube ID, send it to puzzlegal, who will confirm that this coincidence happened without revealing your identity. Not possible. I made the mistake of engaging with the person incorrecting me and they got aggressive and I banned them; the comment is no longer visible to anyone except the person who posted it. > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Assuming, arguendo, that the coincidence is real, is it possible that you were offended more by the youtube comment than my post? I mean, maybe my post on its own would have been okay, but you were annoyed by the earlier post, and carried your annoyance over to me. Is that a possibility? Yes, I arrived in the thread already annoyed (or at least suffering from annoyance-fatigue). I even said so. That is part of what made your joke land badly (that and the fact I wasn’t sure it even was a joke). > [@Do you correct people a lot? What's your motivation?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-correct-people-a-lot-whats-your-motivation/1009660/1): > > Full disclosure: my own motivation for asking this question is that I just wonder about the motivation of people who do this. I make online videos and I get ‘corrected’ a lot (not just on grammar and word choices - also on everything else); more than half of the time, the ‘correction’ itself is simply incorrect. More than half of the remaining examples (where the correction is _technically_ correct), it really doesn’t matter at all. > **Thus, I find myself annoyed by incorrect or unnecessary corrections probably more than the average person, and probably more than I should.** ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/47 "2024-11-06T04:43:33Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > > [@Mangetout](#): > > > > Both of the examples of non-rule enforcement incident I referred to there, happened elsewhere (in YouTube comments). > > Quite a coincidence that it should happen in two different forums within a week. It’s not a coincidence, he literally started the thread because it had happened to him, and it annoyed him. And your questioning whether that’s real is as bizarre as questioning the story of a poster who says they were cut off in traffic by an obnoxious driver. This kind of thing is ubiquitous in YouTube comments. I follow a number of YouTubers, and i think every one who has posted about the process of being a YouTuber has complained about this kind of obnoxious comment. For instance, a guy who posts very professionally edited and completely non-controversial cooking videos says he has folders of comments he can’t read because they are so hurtful. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/48 "2024-11-06T08:18:03Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > a guy who posts very professionally edited and completely non-controversial cooking videos says he has folders of comments he can’t read because they are so hurtful. I used to do that too. I also used to have a three strikes system where I wouldn’t ban people on the first incident, however this meant keeping a sizeable indexed collection of screenshots, and revisiting them every time someone came back for another go. About a year ago, I decided that wasn’t fun and I deleted them all and revised my comment handling criteria - it’s now just asking myself if I want to have further conversation with the commentor and making a decision based on that. I complain a lot about the bad things in the comments - I’ve done that multiple times here on this board and my friends and family also suffer my idiot comment stories. Bad comments are really a tiny proportion of the total, but it’s disproportionately noticeable, like having a thorn in your finger - it’s so small you can’t even measure it, but it occupies your whole attention. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/49 "2024-11-06T09:22:31Z")
> [@Do you correct people a lot? What's your motivation?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-correct-people-a-lot-whats-your-motivation/1009660/64): > > And I believe that _some_ people thought you were talking about me. > > > [@Do you correct people a lot? What's your motivation?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-correct-people-a-lot-whats-your-motivation/1009660/64): > > > > > [@Do you correct people a lot? What's your motivation?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-correct-people-a-lot-whats-your-motivation/1009660/61): > > > > > > “You must not start a sentence with a conjunction!” > > > And why not, exactly? Or is there actually a rule? > > > > I see what you did there. FWIW at this point: no, I did not think @Mangetout was talking about you. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/50 "2024-11-06T09:36:14Z")
Thank you. I think it was fairly clear what you meant, since you went on to elaborate: > [@Do you correct people a lot? What's your motivation?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-you-correct-people-a-lot-whats-your-motivation/1009660/64): > > On the other hand, your “breaking of the rule” above works well because the staccato effect is what you want- short sharp questions. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/51 "2024-11-06T10:28:29Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > FWIW at this point: no, I did not think @Mangetout was talking about you. I’m curious. ISWYDT is usually a response to someone’s joke. What joke did you think he told? Just what did he do there? ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/52 "2024-11-06T10:40:11Z")
“You must not start a sentence with a conjunction!” **And** why not, exactly? **Or** is there actually a rule? ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/53 "2024-11-06T10:43:27Z")
Mangetout was responding to pair of posts I had made in which I argued that correcting other people was a behaivour born of a desire to divide the world into good clever people who know teh rules and bad ignorant people who don’t - and to place the corrector on the right side fo that line. In support of this argument, I pointed out that many of these grammatical rules have no basis in how the English language actually works but are very often edicts handed down by authority with very little rationale. Agreeing with this thesis that much of these corrections are due to people following an imaginary rule, Mangetout constructed a mini dialogue in whch the first person forcefully quoted the rule “You must not start a sentence with a conjunction!” before the second person replied to it with two perfectly well formed sentences that used the device of starting with prepositions in order to a) gain rhetorical force and b) in the immediate context of being apparent responses to a declaration of the rule demonstrate the weakness of the rule, which, had it been followed, would have prevented such an effective response. My ISWYDT meant that I had noted Mangetout’s use of deliberately breaking the rule to demonstrate its weakness, not that Mangetout had referenced the rule which you had jokingly corrected him on earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/54 "2024-11-06T10:49:25Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > “You must not start a sentence with a conjunction!” > > **And** why not, exactly? **Or** is there actually a rule? Okay, I missed that. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666/55 "2024-11-06T11:08:31Z")
Not that it probably counts for much, but I am sorry that my reporting of your post got you a thread ban and played out this way. I reacted to annoyance in that moment; a cooler head would have been better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/thread-ban/1009666.md?page=2)